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Post by elmer on Nov 10, 2010 9:48:35 GMT -5
Going back on the line after the next contract or the UAW will pay their salary’s. I’ve heard form a few people I know form Indy and Detroit that the company is looking into this.
I agree with Ford on this one most union shops they have to work and get off the line when it’s necessary. I would favor that and would also give them Friday off to pass around their update sheets, but I haven’t seen one of them in a month. LOL
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Post by lilbear on Nov 10, 2010 12:12:30 GMT -5
I disagree 100%, most shops that do this are not the size of our plant. Don't see this happening, that would mean another "NO" VOTE from me.
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Post by batteryman on Nov 10, 2010 14:12:30 GMT -5
Elmer, glad to hear you agree with Ford on this one. Hope not to see you in Labor tomorrow. LOL!
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Post by 30yearpace on Nov 10, 2010 15:12:14 GMT -5
This sounds like something tricky to try to get us to vote on something like"no strike" again.
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Post by buckeyeinky on Nov 10, 2010 16:24:31 GMT -5
wonder if allen hughs will vote yes for this also ?
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Post by marcus on Nov 10, 2010 17:16:43 GMT -5
Im not in favor of this and will vote NO on it
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Post by pickle on Nov 10, 2010 19:09:07 GMT -5
finally..... team leaders already give me flyers and bid openings put em on the line.Let team leaders do what the contract says and get rid of some bosses.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 10, 2010 19:54:22 GMT -5
I would vote against this idea...but unfortunately, I believe a majority of the plant would vote for it. Way too many people jealous of the reps having the freedom to roam and do as they please.
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Post by trinitus on Nov 11, 2010 2:15:53 GMT -5
I believe if this rumor comes to pass as true I would then and only then weigh the pro's and con's on this issue. I am not a hater of the freedom they got just a hater of the misuse of the job and the reason why some even run. One thing I will say though is this, should the UAW have to pay their wages then they might be able to do more than they are allowed to do now. One downfall is if they are paid from the union, then our dues would be at risk of going up.
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Post by javajoe on Nov 11, 2010 12:58:52 GMT -5
This would be a disaster...it would give the company too much leverage over the union rep. Ford supervision would use the union rep's job(adding work, poor workmanship ect..) to influence his representation of the hourly worker.
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Post by trinitus on Nov 11, 2010 14:12:50 GMT -5
This would be a disaster...it would give the company too much leverage over the union rep. Ford supervision would use the union rep's job(adding work, poor workmanship ect..) to influence his representation of the hourly worker. Right now, Ford Motor pays our Union Rep's salary. Thus giving them some control over our representation to a point. As for the line Supervisor getting leverage over our rep's, they already have the upper hand as to what our rep' can do. With the union paying the salary the union rep would be expected to do a hell of a lot more than they do now. Believe me, when the union pays the salary their will be more expectations from the membership than what is going on now. We need and expect more from our rep's now but are not getting it due in part because the company still control's the pay of each union rep. |
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Post by pmooret on Nov 11, 2010 15:24:31 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by javajoe on Nov 11, 2010 23:01:48 GMT -5
This would be a disaster...it would give the company too much leverage over the union rep. Ford supervision would use the union rep's job(adding work, poor workmanship ect..) to influence his representation of the hourly worker. Right now, Ford Motor pays our Union Rep's salary. Thus giving them some control over our representation to a point. As for the line Supervisor getting leverage over our rep's, they already have the upper hand as to what our rep' can do. With the union paying the salary the union rep would be expected to do a hell of a lot more than they do now. Believe me, when the union pays the salary their will be more expectations from the membership than what is going on now. We need and expect more from our rep's now but are not getting it due in part because the company still control's the pay of each union rep. I don't believe your argument holds up. The union reps at KTP must be terrible or the support the reps get from the membership must be weak. well what ever the problem is you must pull together. At LAP we had our problems...and still do a little....but we can pull together and force the management to take notice if we have a problem with a certain supervisor or make them address our concerns. You have the power. You just have to stick together and not fight between yourselves... and don't suck up to management. I am damn glad I didn't go to KTP.  |
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Post by buckeyeinky on Nov 12, 2010 4:55:09 GMT -5
the days of sticking together are over . everyone is out for themselfves , and then want a committeeman to take care of every single thing. sad but true
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Post by ktpelec on Nov 12, 2010 7:14:42 GMT -5
Many people have unrealistic views of the ability that our Union Reps. have to get something accomplished. A Rep. has to follow guidelines and procedures that are set in place. Also don't expect them to share your hatred of a certain supervisor or individual. Some people want everyone to "stick together" when it's thier problem they want solved, yet won't support an issue that would benefit the entire membership.
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Post by 30yearpace on Nov 12, 2010 8:05:22 GMT -5
Many people have unrealistic views of the ability that our Union Reps. have to get something accomplished. A Rep. has to follow guidelines and procedures that are set in place. Also don't expect them to share your hatred of a certain supervisor or individual. Some people want everyone to "stick together" when it's thier problem they want solved, yet won't support an issue that would benefit the entire membership. The view I have is that our union Reps used to stand up to the supervisors...now they just roll over and play dead. I guarentee if we brought back in some retired union reps from 10-15 years ago to shadow the current Reps...umm the current reps would be getting slapped up side the head. Now it is true we at KTP need to work together more. I do see alot of people digging their own graves by OVER WORKING THE JOBS. The company sees this and will take advantage by eliminating jobs when ever they can. |
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Post by EStotts on Nov 12, 2010 8:32:19 GMT -5
I hate to be the one saying this but for as much as I see my Rep he might as well be working on the line somewhere!
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Post by javajoe on Nov 12, 2010 11:57:43 GMT -5
I hate to be the one saying this but for as much as I see my Rep he might as well be working on the line somewhere! I don't need to see my Rep everyday...I can take care of myself. I know the contract and how to use it to my advantage. If I ever need the Union Rep...I just call the union office and he will come to see me. If you can't get your Rep to come to see you when you need him call one of the Bargaining Reps. OMG people stand up and take care of yourself and your co-worker. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 12:09:35 GMT -5
I hate to be the one saying this but for as much as I see my Rep he might as well be working on the line somewhere! OMG people stand up and take care of yourself and your co-worker. What are the reps for again? Ah, the good ole days when Reps would get in the foremens faces and tell them to go to hell while spit and drool flowed freely back and forth. |
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Post by trinitus on Nov 12, 2010 13:46:31 GMT -5
Right now, Ford Motor pays our Union Rep's salary. Thus giving them some control over our representation to a point. As for the line Supervisor getting leverage over our rep's, they already have the upper hand as to what our rep' can do. With the union paying the salary the union rep would be expected to do a hell of a lot more than they do now. Believe me, when the union pays the salary their will be more expectations from the membership than what is going on now. We need and expect more from our rep's now but are not getting it due in part because the company still control's the pay of each union rep. I don't believe your argument holds up. The union reps at KTP must be terrible or the support the reps get from the membership must be weak. well what ever the problem is you must pull together. At LAP we had our problems...and still do a little....but we can pull together and force the management to take notice if we have a problem with a certain supervisor or make them address our concerns. You have the power. You just have to stick together and not fight between yourselves... and don't suck up to management. I am damn glad I didn't go to KTP. Kudo's to you for riding out the storm at LAP. So now let us get back to the topic on hand here. Here at KTP it isn't so much that the membership doesn't want to back the elected rep's as much as the elected rep's doesn't want to listen to the membership. Case in point, we catch the line supervisor working on the units, call the union rep out only to hear the most famous line they can give us, "They can do that". As long as Ford pays our union salaries then the less amount of union accomplishments we can get. Yes, there is some things the union can fight for and win but those items are getting less and less every year. This even holds true for those of you at LAP as well. With the union paying the salary of our elected rep's (not just the Financial Secretary), we as a membership can remind them everyday that we are the ones that they work for. If you complain now the typical response is " I work for Ford". I say put that power back into our hands. Anyone who thinks they can take care of themslves in this place is only asking for problems they can't handle. |
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Post by fordmakesnosense on Nov 12, 2010 13:52:43 GMT -5
i say we all join hands and sing kum ba ya
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Post by javajoe on Nov 12, 2010 14:28:00 GMT -5
I don't believe your argument holds up. The union reps at KTP must be terrible or the support the reps get from the membership must be weak. well what ever the problem is you must pull together. At LAP we had our problems...and still do a little....but we can pull together and force the management to take notice if we have a problem with a certain supervisor or make them address our concerns. You have the power. You just have to stick together and not fight between yourselves... and don't suck up to management. I am damn glad I didn't go to KTP. Kudo's to you for riding out the storm at LAP. So now let us get back to the topic on hand here. Here at KTP it isn't so much that the membership doesn't want to back the elected rep's as much as the elected rep's doesn't want to listen to the membership. Case in point, we catch the line supervisor working on the units, call the union rep out only to hear the most famous line they can give us, "They can do that". As long as Ford pays our union salaries then the less amount of union accomplishments we can get. Yes, there is some things the union can fight for and win but those items are getting less and less every year. This even holds true for those of you at LAP as well. With the union paying the salary of our elected rep's (not just the Financial Secretary), we as a membership can remind them everyday that we are the ones that they work for. If you complain now the typical response is " I work for Ford". I say put that power back into our hands. Anyone who thinks they can take care of themselves in this place is only asking for problems they can't handle. Wow... if the reps give you that kind of a response...I think I now see why you feel that way. So sorry to hear that if you try to take care of yourself you face retaliation. KTP must be a lonely and frustrating place to work.  |
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Post by gensto on Nov 12, 2010 14:53:55 GMT -5
You must be talking about "Flash"......
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Post by Jr on Nov 12, 2010 15:00:33 GMT -5
With the union paying the salary of our elected rep's (not just the Financial Secretary), we as a membership can remind them everyday that we are the ones that they work for. If you complain now the typical response is " I work for Ford". I say put that power back into our hands.
If you ever have a rep tell you this, Tell them yes they do but, FORD NEVER voted them in to office and remember them come Next election. also WE are the Union and should hold Every Rep accountable no matter who pays them.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Nov 12, 2010 18:47:43 GMT -5
Ah the good ole' days.
I remember when Bill Milby told a guy on the line, gave him the option actually on how he wanted something handled...
"How do you want me to handle this Rick, we can go in the office and you can apologize, or I can't walk in there and start yelling 'M*****F*****' "
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Post by nvsked1 on Nov 12, 2010 19:16:59 GMT -5
With the union paying the salary of our elected rep's (not just the Financial Secretary), we as a membership can remind them everyday that we are the ones that they work for. If you complain now the typical response is " I work for Ford". I say put that power back into our hands. If you ever have a rep tell you this, Tell them yes they do but, FORD NEVER voted them in to office and remember them come Next election. also WE are the Union and should hold Every Rep accountable no matter who pays them. Or! Article 33 UAW Constitution www.uaw.org/node/2153(a) The normal route of appeal is: FIRST, to the membership or delegate body immediately responsible for the official, officer, action or decision under challenge..... In any challenge to the handling or disposition of a grievance: Where the challenge is against a Local Union committee person, steward, Bargaining Committee, officer or other Local Union official the levels of appeal are first to the unit of an Amalgamated Local Union, then to the Union; then to the International Executive Board FYI You may want to start with unit chairman first good luck OH and some of these actions require a person to attend a union meeting, just sayin..... |
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Post by kessinger on Nov 12, 2010 20:47:52 GMT -5
Ok, lets clear some things up.
Trinitus. As i have said before my number is 2409. If a foreman is working let me know, I will make sure it is stopped. And IF a committeperson told you that, let me know who it is so i can correct that also.
On who pays a union rep. Does Ford write the check, yes. But how many hours they are paid is directed by the contract. A supervisor/area manger/plant manger can not add time to a Rep. or take time away without just cause. So there is no reason for a Rep. to cozy up to a company person for pay reasons.
As in any plant there are good and bad reps. That is what the vote is for. Elections here are plant wide. That is why we move them every 6 months, so more people can evaluate the job they do and cast a vote based on that. Years ago they didn't move them much so if you got a bad one you had him forever and he never got voted out since only one dept. knew he was terrible.
I have posted in the past about what putting them on the line would result in. Anyone that has worked at UPS (that includes me) knows what that turns into. After I was hired I never met a union representative for my years there except the one time I got wrote up. They marched me across the plant to meet him he signed my writeup in between unloading boxes, then I never saw him again. And the strange thing is I never once heared "this union sucks" while working at UPS. lol very very odd. And don't throw out " the teamsters are strong". They had no bearing or involvement in your work life.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Nov 13, 2010 1:20:44 GMT -5
Ok, lets clear some things up. Trinitus. As i have said before my number is 2409. If a foreman is working let me know, I will make sure it is stopped. And IF a committeperson told you that, let me know who it is so i can correct that also. Come to the paintshop..any given day superisors are working..reps look the other way. |
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Post by rclap on Nov 13, 2010 9:02:12 GMT -5
Ok, lets clear some things up. Trinitus. As i have said before my number is 2409. If a foreman is working let me know, I will make sure it is stopped. And IF a committeperson told you that, let me know who it is so i can correct that also. Hey Kessinger, the problem is, by the time a rep gets there, a lot of times the sup has quit working. What would happen in this scenario: when I see a supervisor working, shut the line off until he gets a union person on the job or a union rep shows up? |
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Post by marcus on Nov 14, 2010 10:36:49 GMT -5
I think team leaders have more pull than our reps at KTP.There are plenty of dirty deals going on between supers and teamleaders.
Supervisors working is out of control,but next time it happens I will let you know Kess.
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