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Post by Shrek on Nov 14, 2010 22:29:55 GMT -5
I am not sure what the consequences would be but every one has a cell phone and most sell phones have Cameras. take a picture and send it to your committeeman. let him deal with it. some cell phones even have video apps, talk about Catching people red handed!
this may have several response one might be banning cell phones. Another might be Writing up a person for using sell phone on the line.
but if everyone took a picture or a video of a supervisor working on the line and emailed it to Scott or the bargaining committee that would be proof in hand that the supervisor was doing wrong. it also could be kept quiet if handle properly, names could be keep out if you want to remain anonymous. the Committee-person could write up the supervisor without using anyones name on the line. how would Ford know if a name was never use. if a name had to be used the the committee-person could use their names, it would also suggest the there are union reps out there secretly watching and recording the actions of the supervisors.
we live in a tech enhanced day and age why not use it to our advantage. this was use quiet affectively by Fred Willard over at LAP when he was a committeeman. he used a cell phone to keep half the plant informed of thing that where happening.
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Post by Shrek on Nov 14, 2010 22:40:20 GMT -5
something to remember in May of Next year we should be having another election. this will be for Committee-persons and bargaining and chairman ans well a other position such as Union Officers and Committee chairpersons positions.
I remind you because in after the first of the year you will start to see a change in your committee-persons behavior. You will start to see them more and they will want to do more for you.
start right now and make a list on who comes to see you and who doesn't? Who gets things done for you and who doesn't? if you have to jump there heads and go the a Bargainers or the Building Chairman. Which Bargainer gets thing done for you and which doesn't?
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Post by bo862 on Nov 15, 2010 13:44:52 GMT -5
"take a picture and send it to your committeeman."
The last time I heard of someone taking a picture in the plant they received 3 days off as a warning. The union would have to bargain to keep you from being disciplined, which would get the super off the hook.
The phone ban would really suck too.
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Post by kessinger on Nov 18, 2010 0:16:02 GMT -5
Do be careful taking pictures. Cameras are not supposed to be used to take pics of people in the plant without their permission. That goes both ways, so be careful, we cant use the pic in a grievance anyway.
No don't stop the line for it, that becomes a whole different issue.
Even if the supervisor has stopped we can still address it. The worst offender of working right now is a supervisor in B crew trim. The superintendant has laid into the supervsior several times about it. We will stay on him. We can leave names out of it unless you want us to get you paid for it. But, we have no problem getting them ripped. Most stop quickly but some just can't get it through their thick skulls.
I had a whole team mad at me for making a supervisor stop working over there years ago. We need to the support of those on the lines to fix these issues.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 18, 2010 2:23:11 GMT -5
So if someone took a picture of their boss sleeping, they couldn't use the pics for proof without also getting in trouble...quite possibly even more trouble?
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Post by JoePieper on Nov 18, 2010 8:58:03 GMT -5
So if someone took a picture of their boss sleeping, they couldn't use the pics for proof without also getting in trouble...quite possibly even more trouble? Yep. That is the double edged sword. |
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Post by marcus on Nov 18, 2010 15:29:16 GMT -5
THey dont have to know who took the pic of the boss sleeping just print it out and pass them out
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Post by kessinger on Nov 19, 2010 1:17:47 GMT -5
Well, in theory, yes Scott. But, over the years we have had a few occasions where someone took a pic of a boss doing something they should not have been and we haven't had anyone written up for it. But, I would still be careful with it. The better route would be give it to your committeeperson so he can turn it in without your name attached to it. Even if they don't use it against the supervisor, they still see the picture of him sleeping or whatever activity he is being apart of and they still will hold it against him even if they don't directly use the picture. Its still makes them look like idiots.
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Post by richatktp1 on Nov 20, 2010 4:55:02 GMT -5
Kessinger- If a foreman is working let me know, I will make sure it is stopped. And IF a committeperson told you that, let me know who it is so i can correct that also.
We had 2 Supervisors working right in front of the in-plant union offices last week. Can we still file a grievance for this or does that fall under THEY CAN DO THAT?
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Post by TonyV on Nov 20, 2010 9:15:44 GMT -5
You can still file a grievance and get paid for it. It has been my experience that the behavior stops quickly afterward. Just be ready for the rest of the game.
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Post by kessinger on Nov 22, 2010 23:30:12 GMT -5
Rich, I walk past you every day you should have mentioned it.
Yes, you can write a grievance on it. Did someone tell you that you could not or are you just assuming that would be the answer?
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