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Post by fordworker95 on Dec 16, 2010 18:40:51 GMT -5
I don't have a crystal ball,but I would be totally surprised if more than 400 people transfer from KCAP to LAP.
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Post by mulewrong on Dec 16, 2010 18:52:52 GMT -5
Around 1989 Ford had a steel div (Rouge Steel) In Dec 1989 Ford sold (spun off) its steel div to concentrate on its core business (building cars) People working at Steel were Ford employees the union negotiated RTBU rights for steel employees or they could stay in Steel, and get a retention bonus also guaranteed Ford pay and benies. In early 1990 Steel started hiring people to replace those who returned to Ford. All new people who came to steel were paid 85% of what Ford people made, and the new people were told they would never be paid what Ford people made....This created a have and a have not mentality ..... If there was a shitty job, give it to the 85%er, no seniority individual, etc Later it was (from some wacko's) I deserve more representation than those 85%ers, I pay more dues (2 hours pay) It created distrust between haves and have not's......Never had people felt more like second class citizens... slippery slope 2 tier wage scales , just a word of caution ....The last great saying was..."hey they knew the conditions coming in, no one forced them to take the job".... most everyone has a family to feed.... enough said Well put...but 85% vs. almost 50% is INSANE!!! Supply and demand now we have trade pacts to deal with china, india etc the race to the bottom....If not for UAW those jobs might be paying 8 bucks an hour |
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Post by kessinger on Dec 16, 2010 19:30:29 GMT -5
For the record Badcat. The teamleaders line it up but managment is still ultimatly responsible for OTE mess ups. So if a teamleader messed it up your, griev. is still good and against the Manager. Most teamleaders are very good at keeping the OTE straight.
I can't speak to the difference between MOA/teams and not. Its all I have known.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 16, 2010 21:07:14 GMT -5
I don't have a crystal ball,but I would be totally surprised if more than 400 people transfer from KCAP to LAP. I expect the following: 1000 current workers 300 transfer back from KTP 300 ILO 100 from KCAP 100 from other places at most I believe 1800 total...leaving the possibility of hiring up to 1000 people before even adding 3rd shift. Is that correct...the 2800-2900 number is for 2 shifts, right? |
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Post by kessinger on Dec 17, 2010 1:06:34 GMT -5
I think you are way too high on the transfers back to LAP and the KCAP is a total wildcard. We thought we would get hundreds following their work from Michigan and that didn't even come close to happening.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Dec 17, 2010 8:07:17 GMT -5
Im sry beenaround i misunderstood i see now that u just copied the thread of steelhorse.....my apologies i was wrong!!
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Post by beenaround on Dec 17, 2010 9:07:46 GMT -5
No problem itsnotmyjob. I really enjoyed working at LAP. Would love the option of possibly going back.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Dec 17, 2010 14:08:07 GMT -5
Dosent matter where you are from ALL are welcome BACK!!!! I am so excited at least everyone has a future now at LAP.......no more wondering if I will get to retire .....and now I can say I will!!!
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Post by jmudd on Dec 17, 2010 15:17:55 GMT -5
there is no way im staying at ktp!!! i dont care if lap is building bicycles! when they annouce the sign ups that will be the only day i will come in early! MADE SOME GOOD FRIENDS AT KTP, but thats all i can say about it!
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Post by beenaround on Dec 17, 2010 20:25:36 GMT -5
there is no way im staying at ktp!!! i dont care if lap is building bicycles! when they annouce the sign ups that will be the only day i will come in early! MADE SOME GOOD FRIENDS AT KTP, but thats all i can say about it! best of luck to you |
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 20, 2010 0:26:22 GMT -5
I don't have a crystal ball,but I would be totally surprised if more than 400 people transfer from KCAP to LAP. I expect the following: 1000 current workers 300 transfer back from KTP 300 ILO 100 from KCAP 100 from other places at most I believe 1800 total...leaving the possibility of hiring up to 1000 people before even adding 3rd shift. Is that correct...the 2800-2900 number is for 2 shifts, right? this number seems a little high for 2 shifts. We are curently running 3 shifts with a ball park figure of 2700-2800 people. |
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 20, 2010 0:33:11 GMT -5
And that is with use running 3 vehicles on the suv system
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 20, 2010 3:29:51 GMT -5
Those numbers were provided by FoMoCo and Stone...number needed to start 2 shifts...with chance of adding 3rd shift a year or two after retool.
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 20, 2010 4:01:59 GMT -5
That may be.....but as I'm sure you are well aware. What is said and what is done are two totaly diffrent things.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 20, 2010 7:52:47 GMT -5
You would be correct...I've been laughing since the number was announced. Original rumor was less than 800 needed per shift...now it's 1400+ a shift.  |
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 20, 2010 8:00:57 GMT -5
With 3 shifts, more product and possibly tag relief the 2900 number would be accurate. It could happen down the road. But, initaly at start up I just don't see it. I hope it is true. Because I have evey intention of following my product because I am not feeling optimistic about KCAP. I would like to know that I would be transfering to a plant that has a looooooong future.
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Post by tonyp on Dec 20, 2010 13:47:25 GMT -5
Alot of people were not optimistic about LAP getting a new product either. Look at us now!
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 21, 2010 4:48:27 GMT -5
There are plenty of politics involved in those decisions. A subject I don't care to get into. But, lets say KCAP gets the rumored product...the transit. Even if it were a passenger vehicle instead of a plumber truck. The thing looks like a smashed bag of ass. I can't see it selling enough to keep everyone at KCAP employed.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 21, 2010 7:09:54 GMT -5
The future of LAP, along with every other Ford facility, is dependant on the American public buying the products built there. American consumer confidence is very fickle, and global events play a big part in that.
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 21, 2010 10:41:35 GMT -5
The future of LAP, along with every other Ford facility, is dependant on the American public buying the products built there. American consumer confidence is very fickle, and global events play a big part in that. Very true....But, the Transit looking like a smashed bag of ass isn't going to exactly help....just sayin  |
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Post by keithf on Dec 21, 2010 11:21:00 GMT -5
The future of LAP, along with every other Ford facility, is dependant on the American public buying the products built there. American consumer confidence is very fickle, and global events play a big part in that. Very true....But, the Transit looking like a smashed bag of ass isn't going to exactly help....just sayin buddy, the grass aint always greener on the other side. if you have the chance to stay put, stay put. |
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Dec 21, 2010 12:56:45 GMT -5
I will stay if I can....I don't want to relocate but, I am a single father and must provide for my 2 kids. The question of KCAP getting a product isn't what worries me. Getting a shitty product does. I don't know what the senority is like at LAP. I only have 9 years in. At KCAP that is pretty much the bottom of the pile. If we end up getting the Transit I just don't see it being able to keep all of us working. I can't afford to be layed off waiting for Ford to call me back. I know I run the same risk at any Ford plant. But, that risk seems to be a lot less at LAP.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 21, 2010 16:03:15 GMT -5
If they do the needed hiring at LAP to run with 2800 or more people, you will always be safe. But 9 years is bottom of the barrel at any plant until they hire the new two tier workers.
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Post by chicabonita on Dec 22, 2010 17:42:40 GMT -5
It wont be "I Quit!" with the new wage workers. It will be "No Ablo!"
Hey, analspasm...it's "No hablo". Get it right, ya racist fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 8:37:11 GMT -5
It wont be "I Quit!" with the new wage workers. It will be "No Ablo!" Hey, analspasm...it's "No hablo". Get it right, ya racist fuck. Racist? Not at all. I refuse to be politically correct though so I have no apologies to you at all. Look at Tyson's and other places that sent in illegals to replace union labor with cheap illegal labor. Same with home builders. Bricklayers used to make up wards of $25 an hour. Not now, because "No Ablo" took over. So if you want, keep a blind eye open and keep the truth shut out thats fine with me. But keep your racist comments to yourself. |
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Post by sonofberl on Dec 23, 2010 8:50:23 GMT -5
I dont think there will be many openings at lap for new hires. 250 where ilo some most went to chicago 400 plus went to ktp with some having to stay because it was their home plant they just returned home. Then you have to think about kcap 3000 workers there build the escape do you think that only 200 will come. More will come just to keep there job and hope they retool kcap and hopefully return hope years down the road when things look better there. Same as me transfering to chicago with hopes of returning to louisville. They have been hiring off the street here tpts over 500 at the assembly and 50 at the stamping I have heard they have had large turn overs but I havent seen anyone fired or leave yet. The tpt I have talked to say $15 per hr is fine with them they are just happy to have a job. But others the tpts that where waiting to come back the ones who had worked before the $15 pay change are pissed they where making $20 something before the change and know they are only making 15. There are transfers from all over up here and many from ohio and indy plan on trying to get in at LAP when the time comes. There are some that seem to transfer all the time just following work where ever it is overtime chasers. Just talked to a guy who said this was his seventh plant and he only had 14 years in. lol If they say they are going to hire off the street get ready a lot of people are wanting to move to louisville.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Dec 23, 2010 15:46:51 GMT -5
the only ones who will get to lap are the ones still on ILO, the ones who come back from KTP, the ones from Chicago and the ones who follow the product from kcap. If u r in Chicago they can't just come to LAP just because they want too.....they have to have LAP as RTBU......and as for hiring Mexicans I have no problem with that as long as they are legal and they will have to pay taxes just like the rest of us!!!!!We have all walks of life at LAP so whats the problem???
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 23, 2010 16:10:13 GMT -5
I agree with itsnotmyjob. The jobs at companies like Tyson and many others that illegals do are nothing like working at Ford, not even comparable in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 17:01:37 GMT -5
I have no problem with those that come here legally. Illegal means "ILLEGAL".  |
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Post by sonofberl on Dec 26, 2010 2:10:40 GMT -5
well you are right about everyone coming back home and following the product but if they start hiring off the street then people from other plants can transfer. If not then how is it that out of 72 transfer that came to the stamping plant only like 17 came from louisville the rest where transfers from plants all over the ford system some even from Florida. Some of them where working at their old plant the week before and most where not laid off they just wanted to transfer or at least that is what they said. So all I was saying is if that door opens there are a lot of people in fords system that want to come to louisville if they get the chance.
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