Possibility of only ONE vacation week?

[ScottR@KTP]

Who came up with this bright idea? I can't imagine how difficult it will be in many areas to use an additional 40 hours of vacation time when everyone else has 40 to use as well. LMAO

Here's what I'm referring to in the union meeting minutes:

The company has until April 1, 2011, to notify us of vacation shutdown. We are still in
talks trying to get the company to invest in the body and paint shops to increase their
capacity. This will allow the final area to run 10 hours Monday through Friday. If this
investment happens then we should have both weeks of shutdown consecutively in July.
If this does not happen there is a possibility that the week of July 4, 2011, will be our only
vacation shutdown week. If this is the scenario we are in discussions with KTP
management on what opportunities will be given to employees to use their remaining
vacation hours.

[PUNISHER]

what the hell???

[Shrek]

at the day shift meeting scott said that if they didnt get the investment that our original August shut down would stand. but things could have changed between meetings.

[catfish]

i think 1 week is a great idea i would rather use my vacation when i want it not when they want it

[fordmakesnosense]

so since im december eligible..i have to wait 4 dam months to plan a vacation....i cant take a few days vacation off with my kids on spring break next week because i might need that time if and only if they decide we are going to have 2 down weeks......somebody make up your dam mind so people can make plans and enjoy their time off

[30yearpace]

LOL, bend over BOYs & GIRLS and let the ass pounding begin!!

Our Union/local is the best!

Paid for by your union DUES!!

[ScottR@KTP]

I love the idea of using it when u want to, but good luck doing that. What happens to the people with lower seniority? They get whatever weeks no one else wants?

[06gt]

Im @ LAP. I have June eligibility. I also have 4 weeks vacation & a week of personal time I will have to try & use up when we go back. Wonder if they will let us get paid for reminder of what we dont use since we will have limited time to use them?

[lgmouth24]

The idea of using your vacation time when you want sounds great. BUT, working in paint it is almost impossible to get the time off you want with just the hrs. we have now. If we have to request another 40 hrs, ha ha good luck....As for the lower senority people.....your preatty much screwed....have fun on vacation in Nov and Dec.....it's all BS

fordmakesnosense I agree with you.....why the F do they have to wait til April to make it official

[rocketman]

I have to agree with lgmouth24 about it's very difficult to get a week off. I think more AWOL's will occur, especially during the summer time and on Fridays.

[kuka]

Have I mentioned that "I love my job". I don't care when or if we get a vacation, I'll do without.

[ScottR@KTP]

You lay in there and get kuka...I'll take your vacation.

[kessinger]

I don't think the one down week will happen as of right now.

But, that plan included borrowing LAP layoff folks for the summer to cover vacations. We planned to borrow enough to allow everyone the opportunity to take their other week of vacation during the summer months while school was out. (or possibly hire new hires that will fill the LAP spots after folks leave)

Do you really think we would agree to one down week then just hang everyone out to dry for the other week?

Seemed like a good plan, LAP folks get to work, we get some flexability on our vacation week and we don't have to take one in August.

But lets hope the other option comes through since that includes millions of dollars invested in our plant.

[kessinger]

Oh and they would offer pay in leu if someone wanted that. Not my choice, but some like it.

[lapbrian]

I can't wait til I need a day off when LAP starts back up. If we return in August everyone that has December eligibility will have all their vacation and personal time to burn and only 4 months to do so. If we are going to be working 6 days a week 2-3 times a month Friday's and Monday's will be impossible to get.

Hopefully if KTP does use LAPers they will survey high to low, then if they don't get enough they force people starting from the bottom. I'm at the bottom so I think there will be enough takers before it gets to me.

[lapbrian]

Let me add that if you think about it, LAP workers would only be making an extra $2 an hour if they had to work at KTP instead of just staying home. So, I would rather sit at home a few more months until I'm called back in August or so. With all the overtime coming when we get back I'll make up any lost money then.

[ScottR@KTP]

Don't forget you have to work X number of hours to even get vacation time...not to mention the low income earned in 2011 going towards profit sharing...which we will get next year. I used to love getting SUB and UI, but I definitely don't remember making only $2 an hour less. Even with no taxes taken out of my UI, I still brought home less than $700...grossing $1200 or so compared to SUB UI is substantially different. I forgot what it was like to make money until I transferred to KTP...for that, I am grateful.
Are you really making $1120 a week gross?

[JoePieper]

I gross $1207.00 a week on a normal 40 hour week.

[lapbrian]

After taxes I am losing about $400 a month or $100 a week. Divide that by 40 hours and you have $2.50 an hour.

[Calvin@KTP]

You lose over $500 a week not working.

Don't forget you are not paying taxes on UI and SUB and not earning credit towards next year's profit sharing. Also most of the plant is working some overtime so that figure is actually more than that.

That said, I don't blame someone for staying home. I sure could be getting alot done right now if I was off.

[lapbrian]

Cal knowing I was going to be off for an extended time I have them take out 10% a week for taxes. Again I'm talking after taxes on all this, after taxes I'm bringing home $100 less a week. I'm just saying if you break it down, for me anyway, I would be going out there for basically nothing(probably cost me money by time I got gas). Maybe they could use those 100 or so that have been laid off for the past 3 years and don't have insurance or aren't getting any income at all from Ford right now.

[Calvin@KTP]

I hear ya brother...

It would be a tough choice for me too. Like I said, I could be getting alot done right now if I was off.

[kuka]

I would like to hope that if they (Ford) went low to high on seniority they would get the indivuduals that are on ILO instead of the TLO. I say that meaning, that I would like/hope that the unoin would push to go to the TLO's. However, I seriously doubt that is what they would do just for the reason that if they brought them back those individuals would start all over on their insurance and unemployment once they were layed off again before returing to LAP. Or possibly staying there at KTP.
I would not put it past Ford if pushed that far to go out and start bringing in the two-tier employees.
Just my two cents.

[kessinger]

True the ILO's bennies would start back up. But that is going to happen again when they left here to go back to a then starting up LAP. If there was going to be much of a gap between leaving here and starting up LAP then yes I would expect them to fight us on that issue.

[lapbrian]

Mar 15, 2011 17:20:20 GMT -5 kessinger said:

True the ILO's bennies would start back up. But that is going to happen again when they left here to go back to a then starting up LAP. If there was going to be much of a gap between leaving here and starting up LAP then yes I would expect them to fight us on that issue.

If KTP does need people for how long would it be?

[lapbrian]

Cal I want to make sure we are the same page here since you keep saying you could be getting a lot done right now. I'm not saying taking the extended layoff only cost me $100 a week, I lost everything you all have talked about, vacation time, profit sharing, etc. I'm just saying that come June and July if KTP needs people for only 3-4 weeks to cover vacations it wouldn't be worth it.

[laidoff]

lapbrian. i don't know what bs u are spewing from your dsl's, but in u trim i brought home 1150 and the week before i made 1300. your broke and i'm rich live it up..

[lapbrian]

Mar 16, 2011 2:38:15 GMT -5 laidoff said:

lapbrian. i don't know what bs u are spewing from your dsl's, but in u trim i brought home 1150 and the week before i made 1300. your broke and i'm rich live it up..

I'm basing everything on a 40 hour work week since I got so use to it over the last 4+ years. Can anyone guarantee that KTP will be working overtime this summer if gas prices continue to rise? If yes then great and it would be worth it if your broke like me. Just don't call me the week this broke guy goes to Myrtle Beach, or the week I go to Gatlinburg, or Holiday World.

[ctopher]

Mar 12, 2011 0:40:38 GMT -5 kessinger said:

Oh and they would offer pay in leu if someone wanted that. Not my choice, but some like it.

so last year we had to use our time or lose it...So this year it seems like one week of vacation and if we can't get the other one off they will pay us? I like how it always changes...So December eligibility is losing 4 months that we can use our vacation since we don't find out till April, so does that mean we can have till next April to use it?

[thedogg"93]

two weeks shut down in july....