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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 7:48:08 GMT -5
I am receiving texts from our co-workers that union reps are telling them we may be off some in the near future, but FoMoCo only has to pay us two weeks of SUB due to an 'act of god'...anyone ever heard this? I don't see how this could be true...anyone know the answer?
So using the reps' logic, we could be down 6 months, but only get SUB for 2 weeks while receiving only UI the other weeks if an 'act of god' caused the downtime. I could not imagine a tornado destroying a plant and this be the compensation we are entitled to???
Thanks for any info...
Kess?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 8:09:29 GMT -5
pg. 204 of the benefits book...this topic is currently being discussed. So I assume if a tornado was to ever peel the roof off the plant, they only have to pay us two weeks of SUB...horrible.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 8:11:47 GMT -5
I blame Mother Nature...not 'an act of god'.  |
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Post by olddude on Mar 28, 2011 8:15:54 GMT -5
Just heard the same thing except our union rep. didn't tell anyone else on the line except the team leaders. So if we do get laid off for more than 2 weeks the company can keep us laid off for an indefinite amount of time and "say" it's because of an act of god. That's sounds pretty shady to me.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 10:13:04 GMT -5
couldn't agree more...this could be used for any act of god event.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Mar 28, 2011 10:55:23 GMT -5
With us being a huge money making plant for Ford, do you really think we would ever be off very long?
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Mar 28, 2011 11:05:05 GMT -5
Let's all move to the Mulally house if we are off that long.
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Post by dieselfan on Mar 28, 2011 11:33:12 GMT -5
Act of "God"= 2weeks sub
Act of stupidity= 39/52 weeks sub
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Post by kessinger on Mar 28, 2011 12:41:11 GMT -5
First let me say I don't think that the "act of god" determination would be used. I base this opinion on some other things that have gone on around this issue and talking to the IUAW. But, it is important eveyone knows what could happen and stays prepared for it
Now, having that out of the way. Yes as Scott listed. Contractualy they would only have to pay us two weeks of Sub.
It is important to remember it takes to sides to agree to a contract. I WAS NOT THERE when this language was created, but I can imagine Ford at the table saying. "Ok, we will agree to pay sub if we are down due to something we did, but we aren't gonna agree to be penailized for something we didn't do." Sub is a big big deal. Where else in the world do they pay you to not work except in some union shops. So, yes Ford would natuaraly insist on some limits to Sub.
Act of God is not the only provision that we would only get 2 weeks sub on. It is the same for acts of terrorism. And I believe if a parts plant goes on strike we don't get any Sub at all (will have to look that up to be sure).
Will we have down weeks? Too early to tell, they are putting as many plans in place as they can to prevent downweeks. At some point they have to find someone to make the parts we are no longer getting from Japan.
I do not have the book in front of me, but I am sure Scott is correct on the page number. I encourage everyone to read it, Sub is a good issue to have an awareness of.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 13:45:07 GMT -5
A special thanks goes out to Rodney Janes for educating me regarding this issue. It's not like we have 'act of god' tragedies every week...at least we now know what our pay would be like.
But in my time at Ford, we've never had to even discuss this...guess it's time to find some new suppliers for our Japanese parts.
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Post by rky792 on Mar 28, 2011 14:38:54 GMT -5
A special thanks goes out to Rodney Janes for educating me regarding this issue. It's not like we have 'act of god' tragedies every week...at least we now know what our pay would be like. But in my time at Ford, we've never had to even discuss this...guess it's time to find some new suppliers for our Japanese parts. Did Rodney put out a letter? What was the education? |
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Post by marcus on Mar 28, 2011 16:03:15 GMT -5
Hey heres an Idea lets make the parts here and not japan!
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Post by dave7293 on Mar 28, 2011 17:06:18 GMT -5
We will not be down because of a act of God. The plants in Japan will be down because of a act of God we will be down because another plant will be down. This never came up when this and past winters shut us down because of part shortages do to bad weather.
We may not have been down more then 2 weeks in a roll (I not sure of that info) but we were down 2 weeks in a roll and nothing was said of our possible 3rd week not being covered by Sub pay. Just a thought. I hate to see a lot of people get mad or worried before we really know whats going on. The one positive thing I can say about the Union is if the company tries to do things like this the Union has been good at changing their minds.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 18:39:10 GMT -5
A special thanks goes out to Rodney Janes for educating me regarding this issue. It's not like we have 'act of god' tragedies every week...at least we now know what our pay would be like. But in my time at Ford, we've never had to even discuss this...guess it's time to find some new suppliers for our Japanese parts. Did Rodney put out a letter? What was the education? My phone was blowing up today asking about this 'act of god' clause...so I texted a few people and Rodney immediately replied with the correct info. For that, I thanked him...hardly anyone had ever heard of this since it's never been used...and may not be used now. |
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Post by thintwowin on Mar 28, 2011 18:39:34 GMT -5
Don't we donate to sub fund everytime we pay union dues?
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Post by olddude on Mar 28, 2011 18:50:05 GMT -5
It's hard for me to believe that A multi-billion dollar company like Ford puts all of it's eggs in one basket when it comes to parts suppliers. There isn't A back-up plan in place??? There's no plan "B"?!?!? Poor planning and management if you ask me.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 28, 2011 19:02:08 GMT -5
You can't have a supplier on hold...they have to make money too. If they are all running at capacity....they don't run at 50% hoping someone else comes along to provide them with more business.
That would be like every Ford plant running only one shift hoping customers decide to order more vehicles so they can add another shift.
I know it seems like they would have a backup plan, but they really don't when it comes to suppliers. Suppliers get to bid on future work, but they can't change their production overnight. I imagine they have several companies out there that would love to help them as long as they sign a long term contract to supply us...that may be the drawback when looking for someone to help immediately. Tooling takes a while for these places to start building a new part as well.
Just rambling...sorry.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Mar 28, 2011 19:23:47 GMT -5
Hey heres an Idea lets make the parts here and not japan! Marcus, I'm totally with you!! Bring it ALL back home!! |
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Post by PUNISHER on Mar 29, 2011 15:18:28 GMT -5
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 29, 2011 16:44:27 GMT -5
it's coming
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Post by meanjean on Mar 30, 2011 13:16:01 GMT -5
Hey heres an Idea lets make the parts here and not japan! Marcus, I'm totally with you!! Bring it ALL back home!! Amen to that!!! And an Act of God didn't move parts to Japan, FORD did. |
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Post by mazroth on Mar 30, 2011 13:49:37 GMT -5
I was told that there shouldnt be any layoff weeks, but 7-8 hours possibly, then robo calls with days off during those weeks.
If this is true, is Ford gonna be able to charge the supplier for the downtime?? If so, the above makes total sense.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 30, 2011 15:17:12 GMT -5
You can always charge the supplier for downtime if they cause it...or do we charge 'GOD'?
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Mar 30, 2011 18:16:28 GMT -5
I say we should take this opportunity to do something about the 20% unemployment rate and start builiding this stuff in America.
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Post by trinitus on Mar 30, 2011 22:37:51 GMT -5
I agree with FUGGETELFINGER. Strike now while the iron is hot, boost our economy first before they ask us to give to Japan. Hard to give to Japan when no one is working.
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Post by JoePieper on Mar 30, 2011 22:40:50 GMT -5
I say we should take this opportunity to do something about the 20% unemployment rate and start builiding this stuff in America. Damn Straight. |
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Post by marcus on Mar 31, 2011 16:33:29 GMT -5
Thats why we all need to step up and BUY AMERCIAN not just buy american cars and trucks.It means shoes,clothing,atv,street bikes and on and on.
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Post by 30yearpace on Mar 31, 2011 22:54:04 GMT -5
It really does matter anymore...Our country is going out the door because corporations are going to control most of everything in 10 to 20 years.
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Post by ktpfromlap on Apr 2, 2011 14:45:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how "an act of God" language can even be used nowadays and especially in a legal document as it seems they've taken God out of everything else. I am a Christian and obviouslly do not have a problem with God, but couldn't help seeing the hypocracy in it all.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Apr 2, 2011 16:01:48 GMT -5
I agree 100%...I think Mother Nature is to blame. |
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