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Post by king on Nov 6, 2015 7:32:09 GMT -5
I have no problem with right to work. That should actually force the union to be more active in helping people and negotiating better contracts. If they have to EARN your dues every month, better believe they'll work for it. The way it is now, they don't have to do shit and they'll still get our money. There are a lot of problems with local leaderships and especially national leadership. People would be more than happy to pay even in a RTW state if they see the UAW actually doing something.
But instead, bad contracts are passed, half a billion dollars in the strike fund is used for..... what exactly? and we are still forced to pay every single month.
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 6, 2015 7:32:18 GMT -5
The short answer is yes
But a longer, more conspiracy theory type answer is no.
How deep down the rabbit whole do you want to go today? I am of the opinion that the UAW only exists in cooperation with the company to keep us appeased. To give us the illusion of having some sway.
Am I right? Well, there is evidence for my opinion and against my opinion.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 6, 2015 8:14:09 GMT -5
Bottom line is if I'm in trouble for pills,drinking ,missing work ,The union is there.If no union or if they work for the Co wouldn't it be easier to fire and replace me with a tier 2?On that assumption they work for US...
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 6, 2015 9:13:54 GMT -5
Bottom line is if I'm in trouble for pills,drinking ,missing work ,The union is there.If no union or if they work for the Co wouldn't it be easier to fire and replace me with a tier 2?On that assumption they work for US... Alcohol and drug abuse/ addiction would be covered by federal discrimination laws, and Ford knows that. Attendance? I think the union has supported some fairly heavy handed attendance policies. So you've got a point, but there is a flip side argument. I'm not anti union. I just think ours has sold out. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 6, 2015 10:13:15 GMT -5
I agree 100% they do enough to get by no doubt....It would be nice to actually see our union stand up and say hell no ..to Ford but we won't...Will take what they offer and get back to the line like good lil boys and girls....
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Post by JoePieper on Nov 6, 2015 14:45:35 GMT -5
Yes boss would you like me to polish your knob boss?
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 6, 2015 14:58:25 GMT -5
Your local Union has not sold you out. It's us the membership that keep putting there asses back in office. Most do just enough to make it back in. Example, Stop voting for 30 just because you can. If you only think 10 did you a good job only vote for those 10. The best group we had in office was back in the mid to late 90's.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 6, 2015 15:46:45 GMT -5
Some of the same ones were in there then, including the current BC & fair haired new appointee.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 6, 2015 17:31:22 GMT -5
You are right there. LMAO
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Post by lazyeye on Nov 10, 2015 14:42:06 GMT -5
Right to Work may not be bad for us right now. We all know that the union does not work the way it did when we first hired in 22 yrs ago. back then you would never hear "they can do that" from the old union reps. Union reps need to be on the floor at all times unless in a hearing or on phone duty. If we had right to work then they would worry about people leaving because $71 a month dues is not cutting it anymore. I grew up in a union family and for the first time I can't say I'm proud of my union.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 10, 2015 15:45:18 GMT -5
Not true I've had Dickie,and Calvin both say that it's outta their hands and they can do that..It seemed stronger then though I agree..
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Post by lazyeye on Nov 13, 2015 12:46:37 GMT -5
Dickie was the beginning of our problems. He is the one that did the handshake deal to eliminate the 90 day letter on work loads. Im talking when we first came in when the union said something Mgmt set up straight and listened. Now the union reps are too busy hanging out with management or upstairs and not on the floor with the rank and file where they need to be
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Post by machination on Nov 13, 2015 13:48:03 GMT -5
I have no problem with right to work. That should actually force the union to be more active in helping people and negotiating better contracts. If they have to EARN your dues every month, better believe they'll work for it. The way it is now, they don't have to do shit and they'll still get our money. There are a lot of problems with local leaderships and especially national leadership. People would be more than happy to pay even in a RTW state if they see the UAW actually doing something. But instead, bad contracts are passed, half a billion dollars in the strike fund is used for..... what exactly? and we are still forced to pay every single month. If you have no problem with right-to-leech then you have no problem with people reaping good wages and benefits without having to contribute anything, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, resulting in more leeches who don't get it, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, and so on. Contracts where you wont be getting anything except continued employment. Gee lets make the union stronger by slashing the amount of money it gets! BRILLIANT!... |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 14:40:45 GMT -5
Uaw has no problem upping our dues without us voting on it.
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Post by machination on Nov 13, 2015 15:30:03 GMT -5
Uaw has no problem upping our dues without us voting on it. We don't get to vote on any and every thing that we want to. Take a 40 hour week, that's around 173 hours per month. From that the union takes 2.5 hours pay for dues. That leaves you with 170.5. I made over 70k last year. If someone has a huge problem with having to pay 2.5 hours pay per month in order to get agreements that put your income at double the national average, allowing you to have a nice big house and a middle-class life, then they are truly ungrateful for what they have. Oh no, not 2.5 hours pay! How will I ever survive!... Ha, yea. And I believe the dues haven't been raised since what, sometime in the 1960's? Right to work is coming, then all the titty-baby leeches will be able to get what they've always dreamed of. High wages and benefits without having to contribute a dime. Then years from now when the unions are all gone and the companies get to dictate to you exactly what your pay and benefits will be, without us having ANY say in the matter whatsoever, you'll have all the leeches to blame for it. |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 15:44:30 GMT -5
Keep drinking the kool-aid. They love that.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 13, 2015 16:12:27 GMT -5
Uaw has no problem upping our dues without us voting on it. We don't get to vote on any and every thing that we want to. Take a 40 hour week, that's around 173 hours per month. From that the union takes 2.5 hours pay for dues. That leaves you with 170.5. I made over 70k last year. If someone has a huge problem with having to pay 2.5 hours pay per month in order to get agreements that put your income at double the national average, allowing you to have a nice big house and a middle-class life, then they are truly ungrateful for what they have. Oh no, not 2.5 hours pay! How will I ever survive!... Ha, yea. And I believe the dues haven't been raised since what, sometime in the 1960's? Right to work is coming, then all the titty-baby leeches will be able to get what they've always dreamed of. High wages and benefits without having to contribute a dime. Then years from now when the unions are all gone and the companies get to dictate to you exactly what your pay and benefits will be, without us having ANY say in the matter whatsoever, you'll have all the leeches to blame for it. What about when people get out and then THEY raise YOUR dues????still don't see why the union HAS TO represent someone that's not a paying member..I'm sure some people could careless if they have representation or not,I say good ..ill still pay.. |
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Post by machination on Nov 13, 2015 16:58:42 GMT -5
We don't get to vote on any and every thing that we want to. Take a 40 hour week, that's around 173 hours per month. From that the union takes 2.5 hours pay for dues. That leaves you with 170.5. I made over 70k last year. If someone has a huge problem with having to pay 2.5 hours pay per month in order to get agreements that put your income at double the national average, allowing you to have a nice big house and a middle-class life, then they are truly ungrateful for what they have. Oh no, not 2.5 hours pay! How will I ever survive!... Ha, yea. And I believe the dues haven't been raised since what, sometime in the 1960's? Right to work is coming, then all the titty-baby leeches will be able to get what they've always dreamed of. High wages and benefits without having to contribute a dime. Then years from now when the unions are all gone and the companies get to dictate to you exactly what your pay and benefits will be, without us having ANY say in the matter whatsoever, you'll have all the leeches to blame for it. What about when people get out and then THEY raise YOUR dues????still don't see why the union HAS TO represent someone that's not a paying member..I'm sure some people could careless if they have representation or not,I say good ..ill still pay.. I agree with you. If enough people leave the union dues will eventually have to be raised, again, on remaining members in order to make up for the shortfall. I also agree with you that the union shouldn't have to represent non-members. It's the law though, unfortunately. I'm very glad that you will remain a member metalman. There's a lot at stake for generations to come. The only thing that will reverse the decline in the working-middle-class in this country is increased, not decreased, unionization. |
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Post by machination on Nov 13, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
Keep drinking the kool-aid. They love that. I'm afraid the people drinking the Kool-Aid are actually the ones who think we can NO our way into a $6 an hour pay raise. I wish I was wrong I honestly do. |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 17:49:21 GMT -5
Both raises = 1.74. We lost more than that in the concessions. Break times, lost holiday, health care premiums up. Ford is making record profits and were getting 1.74 cent in 15 years time. Facts of life!! Keep drinking the cool-aid that the uaw is serving. I'd rather have trump bargin for me. Uaw is circling the drain. I know it, they know it. Hell even yellow dog knows it.
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Post by machination on Nov 13, 2015 18:31:34 GMT -5
Both raises = 1.74. We lost more than that in the concessions. Break times, lost holiday, health care premiums up. Ford is making record profits and were getting 1.74 cent in 15 years time. Facts of life!! Keep drinking the cool-aid that the uaw is serving. I'd rather have trump bargin for me. Uaw is circling the drain. I know it, they know it. Hell even yellow dog knows it. I wish we were getting the break time back, but we are getting the holiday back. I'm puzzled about the health care premium part though. Surely you're aware that we don't pay any premium for our health care. Sooo, you are mentioning the lost holiday without acknowledging it's return, and citing health care premiums which we don't even pay, claiming these untruths are "facts", and declaring that WE are drinking tainted beverages? I'm sorry man, but you need to check your own drink. |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 18:56:44 GMT -5
Ok, I don't speak well but how much do you pay to go to the doctor now compared to the past? If you can't see what we've lost in the past 15 years perhaps it's not liquid that's got you in that shape. The price on these vehicles have doubled and we've lost $$ at the same time!!! It's now or never. Grow a backbone.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 13, 2015 19:18:20 GMT -5
I get why some are happy... Low expectations make this an acceptable contract... Funny math makes this a good contract.
Easy no for me... Our vote prolly won't matter... With 81% already happy with it, this turd will pass in the mid to high 60s at this rate.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 13, 2015 19:59:28 GMT -5
I get why some are happy... Low expectations make this an acceptable contract... Funny math makes this a good contract. Easy no for me... Our vote prolly won't matter... With 81% already happy with it, this turd will pass in the mid to high 60s at this rate. Exactly ,if you get a 6$ an hour raise over 4 years and your 20 I guess you're happy,,But when you reach the end of the contract at 25$ an hour the legacy employee was making that back in 1999???how happy are ya now?1.60 raise in 19yrs yep that's fuckin awesome!!! |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 20:11:25 GMT -5
The uaw has done its job selling to the grunts that we should be happy with this contract. Gotta give um that.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 20:21:25 GMT -5
We have to work 60hrs a week to afford what we use to be able to buy on 40hrs a week. I'm surprised lightning don't hit them when their up at the microphone telling us how good a job they do!!!!!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 13, 2015 20:40:27 GMT -5
Comical...
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Post by lazyeye on Nov 13, 2015 22:01:48 GMT -5
I have no problem paying dues if representatives do their job but when they don't we need an option to force them and voting them out isn't the option. The threat of cutting the purse strings will make them do their job . Money talks bullshit walks
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 13, 2015 22:14:12 GMT -5
I never thought that Michigan would become a RTW state. Ky will need to flip the house to GOP to accomplish it. Gov. Will sign it so it looks like it will happen in the future. Probably be like Michigan in that you can't opt out till contract expires. I won't opt out but I think they will work harder for us knowing we can.
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Post by rimfirejunkie on Nov 14, 2015 8:38:51 GMT -5
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