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Post by machination on Nov 14, 2015 9:47:09 GMT -5
Ok, I don't speak well but how much do you pay to go to the doctor now compared to the past? If you can't see what we've lost in the past 15 years perhaps it's not liquid that's got you in that shape. The price on these vehicles have doubled and we've lost $$ at the same time!!! It's now or never. Grow a backbone. Well we're getting the holiday back, we don't pay premiums, and the truck prices have not doubled unless there are some $100,000 trucks here that i haven't seen yet. If you were any more full of shit you'd be a gigantic steaming turd, sorry bro. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 14, 2015 12:23:42 GMT -5
Ok, I don't speak well but how much do you pay to go to the doctor now compared to the past? If you can't see what we've lost in the past 15 years perhaps it's not liquid that's got you in that shape. The price on these vehicles have doubled and we've lost $$ at the same time!!! It's now or never. Grow a backbone. Well we're getting the holiday back, we don't pay premiums, and the truck prices have not doubled unless there are some $100,000 trucks here that i haven't seen yet. If you were any more full of shit you'd be a gigantic steaming turd, sorry bro. Don't know about double the price but when Ford admits HISTORIC RECORD PROFITS,that's saying something.We should get an HISTORIC RECORD CONTRACT.... |
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Post by machination on Nov 14, 2015 13:18:20 GMT -5
Well we're getting the holiday back, we don't pay premiums, and the truck prices have not doubled unless there are some $100,000 trucks here that i haven't seen yet. If you were any more full of shit you'd be a gigantic steaming turd, sorry bro. Don't know about double the price but when Ford admits HISTORIC RECORD PROFITS,that's saying something.We should get an HISTORIC RECORD CONTRACT.... We are. People are just pissed that we aren't getting every single thing back that we gave up, even though we are getting other things instead. This contract is a good contract. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 14, 2015 13:27:02 GMT -5
Don't know about double the price but when Ford admits HISTORIC RECORD PROFITS,that's saying something.We should get an HISTORIC RECORD CONTRACT.... We are. People are just pissed that we aren't getting every single thing back that we gave up, even though we are getting other things instead. This contract is a good contract. Disagree but that's cool ... |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 14, 2015 14:27:52 GMT -5
I am not expecting all to be returned... But 4 raises and/or COLA, and this would have been a really good contract.
That wouldn't even be historic... Just pretty good.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 14, 2015 14:36:33 GMT -5
Right how about (4) raises at 3% ,our minute break back,and the holiday back..
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Post by ibossjekler on Nov 14, 2015 14:44:23 GMT -5
Right how about (4) raises at 3% ,our minute break back,and the holiday back.. And not screwing over 1500 workers. We're just a drop in the bucket and need solidarity to not get screwed. Next contract they're going to say the assembly lines need to compete with the lines down in Mexico. Hell even chrysler workers fought for their parts plants and got them to the same scales in their second contract. Which makes Ford contract worse than Chrysler. Tier 1 even outnumbers us at Sterling, atleast some of them stuck with us, 60% NO at Sterling. Should've been higher but the contract is decent for everyone else there. |
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Post by king on Nov 22, 2015 5:28:46 GMT -5
I have no problem with right to work. That should actually force the union to be more active in helping people and negotiating better contracts. If they have to EARN your dues every month, better believe they'll work for it. The way it is now, they don't have to do shit and they'll still get our money. There are a lot of problems with local leaderships and especially national leadership. People would be more than happy to pay even in a RTW state if they see the UAW actually doing something. But instead, bad contracts are passed, half a billion dollars in the strike fund is used for..... what exactly? and we are still forced to pay every single month. If you have no problem with right-to-leech then you have no problem with people reaping good wages and benefits without having to contribute anything, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, resulting in more leeches who don't get it, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, and so on. Contracts where you wont be getting anything except continued employment. Gee lets make the union stronger by slashing the amount of money it gets! BRILLIANT!... What are you even talking about? You realize that you can still be in an union and pay union dues in right to work states? If my state was right to work, the only thing that would change is that I wouldn't be FORCED to pay union dues and the union would have to EARN them. What's wrong with that? What union is going to work harder for their workers? A union that has to earn the worker's money or a union that gets the money regardless of whether they're a good union or not? And it's funny how people talk about how terrible the leadership at the UAW is....but then fund their every little move with no question. You helped fund everything Jimmy Settles and crew did. How does that make you feel? Do you feel like they earned your money? How do you like the contract and the past contracts? Did they put your money to good use? You seem confused. Unions don't get stronger because they're receiving a lot of money. The union received $250Million from dues last year. Are you of the opinion that that money was used wisely and that the leadership worked hard to earn that money and that they represented the membership well? |
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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 22, 2015 10:36:07 GMT -5
Uaw has no problem upping our dues without us voting on it. We don't get to vote on any and every thing that we want to. Take a 40 hour week, that's around 173 hours per month. From that the union takes 2.5 hours pay for dues. That leaves you with 170.5. I made over 70k last year. If someone has a huge problem with having to pay 2.5 hours pay per month in order to get agreements that put your income at double the national average, allowing you to have a nice big house and a middle-class life, then they are truly ungrateful for what they have. Oh no, not 2.5 hours pay! How will I ever survive!... Ha, yea. And I believe the dues haven't been raised since what, sometime in the 1960's? Right to work is coming, then all the titty-baby leeches will be able to get what they've always dreamed of. High wages and benefits without having to contribute a dime. Then years from now when the unions are all gone and the companies get to dictate to you exactly what your pay and benefits will be, without us having ANY say in the matter whatsoever, you'll have all the leeches to blame for it. You are absolutely incorrect about are dues not being raised since the 1960's.Our dues were raised every time we got a raise,something that hasn't happened in over ten years. I agree with you about keeping the union to help protect our jobs from unfair practices by company and have every intention of remaining in union and paying dues |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 14:06:40 GMT -5
If you have no problem with right-to-leech then you have no problem with people reaping good wages and benefits without having to contribute anything, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, resulting in more leeches who don't get it, further weakening the union, resulting in even worse contracts down the road, and so on. Contracts where you wont be getting anything except continued employment. Gee lets make the union stronger by slashing the amount of money it gets! BRILLIANT!... What are you even talking about? You realize that you can still be in an union and pay union dues in right to work states? If my state was right to work, the only thing that would change is that I wouldn't be FORCED to pay union dues and the union would have to EARN them. What's wrong with that? What union is going to work harder for their workers? A union that has to earn the worker's money or a union that gets the money regardless of whether they're a good union or not? And it's funny how people talk about how terrible the leadership at the UAW is....but then fund their every little move with no question. You helped fund everything Jimmy Settles and crew did. How does that make you feel? Do you feel like they earned your money? How do you like the contract and the past contracts? Did they put your money to good use? You seem confused. Unions don't get stronger because they're receiving a lot of money. The union received $250Million from dues last year. Are you of the opinion that that money was used wisely and that the leadership worked hard to earn that money and that they represented the membership well? To answer your second question: No shit. I've already answered the rest time and again. You wouldn't make the wage you do, or get the benefits you have, without the union negiotiating it for you. If things are so bad for you here, quit. If you don't want to pay dues, then you're a leech. It's really simple. The stupidity and inability for so many people here to understand such basic, easy things is very sad, and I'm losing my faith in the intelligence of the American worker as a result. It's so terribly sad. |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 14:09:34 GMT -5
We don't get to vote on any and every thing that we want to. Take a 40 hour week, that's around 173 hours per month. From that the union takes 2.5 hours pay for dues. That leaves you with 170.5. I made over 70k last year. If someone has a huge problem with having to pay 2.5 hours pay per month in order to get agreements that put your income at double the national average, allowing you to have a nice big house and a middle-class life, then they are truly ungrateful for what they have. Oh no, not 2.5 hours pay! How will I ever survive!... Ha, yea. And I believe the dues haven't been raised since what, sometime in the 1960's? Right to work is coming, then all the titty-baby leeches will be able to get what they've always dreamed of. High wages and benefits without having to contribute a dime. Then years from now when the unions are all gone and the companies get to dictate to you exactly what your pay and benefits will be, without us having ANY say in the matter whatsoever, you'll have all the leeches to blame for it. You are absolutely incorrect about are dues not being raised since the 1960's.Our dues were raised every time we got a raise,something that hasn't happened in over ten years. I agree with you about keeping the union to help protect our jobs from unfair practices by company and have every intention of remaining in union and paying dues Dues remained at a rate of 2 hours pay per month all that time until the recent change. Of course if you get a raise then 2 hours pay will be more than it was prior to the raise, but it was still 2 HOURS PAY all the time. You sir are a liar, and here is a link to prove that you are a liar: www.thefreedictionary.com/sophistrySadly, there are many, many people who are simply too stupid to understand that you are a liar even after it is proved. |
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Post by king on Nov 22, 2015 18:31:58 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? You realize that you can still be in an union and pay union dues in right to work states? If my state was right to work, the only thing that would change is that I wouldn't be FORCED to pay union dues and the union would have to EARN them. What's wrong with that? What union is going to work harder for their workers? A union that has to earn the worker's money or a union that gets the money regardless of whether they're a good union or not? And it's funny how people talk about how terrible the leadership at the UAW is....but then fund their every little move with no question. You helped fund everything Jimmy Settles and crew did. How does that make you feel? Do you feel like they earned your money? How do you like the contract and the past contracts? Did they put your money to good use? You seem confused. Unions don't get stronger because they're receiving a lot of money. The union received $250Million from dues last year. Are you of the opinion that that money was used wisely and that the leadership worked hard to earn that money and that they represented the membership well? To answer your second question: No shit. I've already answered the rest time and again. You wouldn't make the wage you do, or get the benefits you have, without the union negiotiating it for you. If things are so bad for you here, quit. If you don't want to pay dues, then you're a leech. It's really simple. The stupidity and inability for so many people here to understand such basic, easy things is very sad, and I'm losing my faith in the intelligence of the American worker as a result. It's so terribly sad. LOL so everybody complains that union members have had bad contracts the last 3 contracts (12 years) but we should still be thankful for the people negotiating on our behalf. LOL the irony is so hilarious to me. It's sad that people are happy to be forced to give money to someone who they say is bad at their jobs (the union negotiators). I bet you like what Jimmy Settles is doing huh? |
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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 22, 2015 20:16:52 GMT -5
You are absolutely incorrect about are dues not being raised since the 1960's.Our dues were raised every time we got a raise,something that hasn't happened in over ten years. I agree with you about keeping the union to help protect our jobs from unfair practices by company and have every intention of remaining in union and paying dues Dues remained at a rate of 2 hours pay per month all that time until the recent change. Of course if you get a raise then 2 hours pay will be more than it was prior to the raise, but it was still 2 HOURS PAY all the time. You sir are a liar, and here is a link to prove that you are a liar: www.thefreedictionary.com/sophistrySadly, there are many, many people who are simply too stupid to understand that you are a liar even after it is proved. I respectfully disagreed with you and that makes me a liar, and most people are just to stupid to know that. It is interesting that you linked a page with the definition of sophistry because I believe that is exactly you what are engaging in. You say that you have proven that I am a liar, How, because you say so and expect that people are to stupid to see that our dues went up every time we got a raise. In my world every time I have to pay more for something I consider that a raise in cost. If you don't see it that way it's OK with me. |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 21:10:56 GMT -5
Dues remained at a rate of 2 hours pay per month all that time until the recent change. Of course if you get a raise then 2 hours pay will be more than it was prior to the raise, but it was still 2 HOURS PAY all the time. You sir are a liar, and here is a link to prove that you are a liar: www.thefreedictionary.com/sophistrySadly, there are many, many people who are simply too stupid to understand that you are a liar even after it is proved. I respectfully disagreed with you and that makes me a liar, and most people are just to stupid to know that. It is interesting that you linked a page with the definition of sophistry because I believe that is exactly you what are engaging in. You say that you have proven that I am a liar, How, because you say so and expect that people are to stupid to see that our dues went up every time we got a raise. In my world every time I have to pay more for something I consider that a raise in cost. If you don't see it that way it's OK with me. Fair enough then. Your dues did go up...... because the Union got you raises, and folded in cola. You're complaining about making more for 2 hours work, steadily for a while BECAUSE THE UNION WAS INCREASING YOUR INCOME. That's some brilliant bullshit. Just fucking quit already. |
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Post by saugerman on Nov 22, 2015 21:35:09 GMT -5
smh
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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 22, 2015 21:39:36 GMT -5
I respectfully disagreed with you and that makes me a liar, and most people are just to stupid to know that. It is interesting that you linked a page with the definition of sophistry because I believe that is exactly you what are engaging in. You say that you have proven that I am a liar, How, because you say so and expect that people are to stupid to see that our dues went up every time we got a raise. In my world every time I have to pay more for something I consider that a raise in cost. If you don't see it that way it's OK with me. Fair enough then. Your dues did go up...... because the Union got you raises, and folded in cola. You're complaining about making more for 2 hours work, steadily for a while BECAUSE THE UNION WAS INCREASING YOUR INCOME. That's some brilliant bullshit. Just fucking quit already. Let me get this right you concede my point that the our dues was raised in some form, but then go on to insult me by saying I'm...I think I am starting to see what the real problem is. You clearly have a problem with reading comprehension,I wasn't complaining at all I was just pointing out that I felt you was wrong about something. That sir is called passive/ aggressive behavior, look it up and read slowly so maybe you'll understand that I'm not trying to piss you off. |
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Post by king on Nov 24, 2015 8:04:59 GMT -5
Some people are happy being sheep.
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