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Post by driverx on Nov 11, 2015 19:56:20 GMT -5
So what's the likelihood of the Ranger coming back home to Louisville..Me personally think this is pretty exciting.How cool would a twin turbo aluminum body Ranger be..Too cool.
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Post by toddstang on Nov 11, 2015 20:02:49 GMT -5
I think its already in writing that the Ranger and new Bronco are going to MAP for 2018.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 11, 2015 21:11:03 GMT -5
I don't think LAP is large enough to Build Escapes and Rangers.. It takes Two skids to build One Truck and our stacker is bearly big enough to build what we do now... Would need major tooling and upgrades... Just saying
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Post by TonyV on Nov 11, 2015 21:38:09 GMT -5
I've heard MAP was going to get it and lose the car because of the contract. I heard they would become Michigan Truck Plant afterward.
....but you know how rumors are.
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Post by legacywannabe on Nov 13, 2015 13:31:01 GMT -5
It will be the f100 and it's going to MAP
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Post by justaworker on Nov 13, 2015 14:00:52 GMT -5
ahh yes, the infamous f-100. i remember in 2004 when things started going south at LAP, they told us the f-100 was making a comeback and that would replace the explorer. haven't thought much about it since. glad to hear though, there is a market for a mid size pickup. kind of sucks for us though, that's just another new mid-size vehicle in the ford lineup that will cannibalize sales from our escape.
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Post by rc38 on Nov 17, 2015 7:45:11 GMT -5
ahh yes, the infamous f-100. i remember in 2004 when things started going south at LAP, they told us the f-100 was making a comeback and that would replace the explorer. haven't thought much about it since. glad to hear though, there is a market for a mid size pickup. kind of sucks for us though, that's just another new mid-size vehicle in the ford lineup that will cannibalize sales from our escape. I only see it taking sales from the f-150 market. I don't see people going from a suv to a pickup. Two different demographics |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 18, 2015 17:59:55 GMT -5
L.A.P will be lucky to be open another 2 yrs after this vote. We now look like the disgruntled step child. With all the disfunction within the local Union rank an file it doesn't look good with us loosing product. Just my opinion hope & pray I'm wrong.It's better to have more then 1 product at a location to build.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 18, 2015 18:19:17 GMT -5
What?? We are disgruntled workers that make 20% of Fords profits and are #1 on the Harbour report. Meaning most efficient in the automotive industry Least amount of people make the most cars. FYI. I'm not worried. And you shouldn't either. Really??
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 18, 2015 20:19:48 GMT -5
I went to KTP when we lost the Explorer & came back when we got the escape. Evdentiley you haven't been around very long. Ford can move a product over night. The KTP plant got that product from Canada Truck because of problems up there. I'm just saying don't take things for granted.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 18, 2015 21:04:23 GMT -5
Really THAT GIRL. I came from Ktp and transfered to LAP. Been around quite a while By the way probably been here longer than YOU, since I had enough seniority at LAP I could take the lay off and Free money for our 13 month Retool and Not go back to KTP Haha. KTP has had CLT for over 20 years now. It wasn't because of quality. Ford got out of Heavy Truck....
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 18, 2015 21:17:28 GMT -5
Not heavy truck, I'm talking about CLT. I have 24 1/2 yrs 25 in may. I choose to go to KTP. It was my Choice also. .
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Post by workinon30 on Nov 18, 2015 23:25:26 GMT -5
I went to KTP when we lost the Explorer & came back when we got the escape. Evdentiley you haven't been around very long. Ford can move a product over night. The KTP plant got that product from Canada Truck because of problems up there. I'm just saying don't take things for granted. [br So was Atlanta. Ask them how that worked out for them |
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Post by workinon30 on Nov 18, 2015 23:28:09 GMT -5
I went to KTP when we lost the Explorer & came back when we got the escape. Evdentiley you haven't been around very long. Ford can move a product over night. The KTP plant got that product from Canada Truck because of problems up there. I'm just saying don't take things for granted.[/quote |
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Post by Bcrew4life on Nov 19, 2015 7:12:15 GMT -5
L.A.P will be lucky to be open another 2 yrs after this vote. We now look like the disgruntled step child. With all the disfunction within the local Union rank an file it doesn't look good with us loosing product. Just my opinion hope & pray I'm wrong.It's better to have more then 1 product at a location to build. We lost the Lincoln before the tentative contract was rolled out. So the good brothers & sisters of local 862 wise decision to vote the stinking contract down had no bearing on the lose of our product. It was already a done deal. So if LAP closes in a couple of years I'd bet they decided to close it down when the Lincoln was dropped from our product lineup. LAP legacy employees have been disgruntled since we gave Ford everything they asked for and they turned around and gave salary raises right afterwards. It was a low blow that many of us will never forget or ever be able to forgive Ford for. We were also promised that B crew would be laid off on TLO, then Ford turned around and put B crew out on ILO! Of course our wonderful UAW 's excuse was "sorry it wasn't in writing and they can do that"! So yeah, we do kinda have a right to be disgruntled when we are given a pile of shit contract like this after we've given back everything we were asked to give. In my book it's pretty god damned disrespectful! Funny how management demands respect but they haven't a clue how to return it. |
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Post by ihatemyjob on Nov 19, 2015 7:38:06 GMT -5
Well you may as well get over the past because that's big business. And we can't beat Ford or corporate america no matter how hard we try. Don't let your pride cost you your job. It wasn't a great contract but it was easily a good enough one to vote yes for. They had no intentions of closing this plant if they were offering a $700 million investment. But that's all gonna be back on the table now. Starting with Firestone recall we hit about 8-10 years of uncertainty at this plant and we finally hit a secure patch and now people want to gamble with it. Even though they were gonna get $30k worth of gains.
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Post by rc38 on Nov 19, 2015 10:27:29 GMT -5
Well you may as well get over the past because that's big business. And we can't beat Ford or corporate america no matter how hard we try. Don't let your pride cost you your job. It wasn't a great contract but it was easily a good enough one to vote yes for. They had no intentions of closing this plant if they were offering a $700 million investment. But that's all gonna be back on the table now. Starting with Firestone recall we hit about 8-10 years of uncertainty at this plant and we finally hit a secure patch and now people want to gamble with it. Even though they were gonna get $30k worth of gains. This contract has no bearing on product placement. Ford was already in the works to expand the plant for increased production,once they seen this new escape was a big seller. We have one of the lowest operating costs ratios in the nation,.i.e. low cost gas and electric utilities. Local and state tax abatements and business grant money for retooling and expansion. The politics in this contract will play itself out,and will move on. |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 19, 2015 11:05:41 GMT -5
Some of you people don't have a clue. Ask people that plants have closed. If you don't think they can & will relocate a product you have a rude awakening with this company. Ask around. Every state will give tax instinctives to get them there. Ford is looking out for there best interest not yours.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 19, 2015 11:39:58 GMT -5
So if we're going to be paranoid Move my product , Pay me thousands of $$ to follow my product. There Not going to stop making the Escape. Ford just published a report. 40% of all vehicles in US will be SUV by 2020. I'm not scared. Boo.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 19, 2015 13:52:42 GMT -5
You must be a rookie by your comments.just like they did to the Taurus when they changed the name to the 500. Same vehicle just changed the name and guess what mr.smarty pants.You don't get to follow the product. Nor do you get any moving $$$. You need to wake up !
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 19, 2015 15:12:40 GMT -5
Really. So you were not asked to go to Chicago. To follow the explorer. I was. We had people from Kansas City at Lap following the Escape. Where have u been Girl ?? I must be smarty pants or just paying attention. Ha. And u do get moving bonus.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 19, 2015 15:23:30 GMT -5
Evdentiley you didn't read or understand my last post. Yes some would get to follow but not all. Do you know what they did to Atlanta assembly? They screwed those people over by changing the name of there product so they couldn't follow it. Then a year an half later changed it back. Look father then the tip of your noise rookie it's called job security.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 19, 2015 15:32:05 GMT -5
You must be a rookie by your comments.just like they did to the Taurus when they changed the name to the 500. Same vehicle just changed the name and guess what mr.smarty pants.You don't get to follow the product. Nor do you get any moving $$$. You need to wake up ! you can't follow it to Mexico, I'm sure 1 day thats where it will be but I wouldn't think in the next 2 years tho |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 19, 2015 15:34:35 GMT -5
If they send it there then hopefully Dumbass Americans won't buy the junkie things!
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 19, 2015 15:43:39 GMT -5
You can't fix paranoid I believe many of our friends from Atlanta came to KTP or other plants after they closed I worked with them. Some are evan at LAP. Many stayed in Atlanta also by CHOICE when they took the $$. Hummmm. Pay attention.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 19, 2015 15:48:05 GMT -5
To many ungrateful uneducated kids!
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Post by qualityman1 on Nov 19, 2015 15:49:52 GMT -5
Follow your product: if your product went to MAP, those workers aren't displaced. Long story short, not many could follow. "Move my product", does sound a little rookiesh. Ford will/can move a product and close a plant within weeks. Not saying Lap will close, but I've been involved in both, it'll make your head spin. Where will the MKC be built and can you follow it? We know its leaving? Think about it.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 19, 2015 16:58:17 GMT -5
only so many people are allowed to "follow the product". its not liek we could all go
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Post by toddstang on Nov 19, 2015 20:17:21 GMT -5
L.A.P will be lucky to be open another 2 yrs after this vote. We now look like the disgruntled step child. With all the disfunction within the local Union rank an file it doesn't look good with us loosing product. Just my opinion hope & pray I'm wrong.It's better to have more then 1 product at a location to build. If you live your life in fear than your life must be pretty bad. That is what my grandpa told me a few days before he died. It stuck in my head and I think of him telling me that every time I need to make a difficult decision. I look at it this way, if we keep giving into to the IUAW and Ford than we are nothing more than a bunch of wimps who will not voice how we feel. This vote was our voice. It sent a clear message to the IUAW thugs that we will not keep getting scraps while they get to live high on the hog. I don't even think the "NO" votes will matter to Ford as much as it does to Jimmy Settles. When the IUAW came down here in 2008/9 and they told us in the union hall, that us voting to take all the concessions would show Ford that we really care not only about each others well being but about our survival. The IUAW rep also told us that the IUAW would make sure that when Ford became profitable again, that they would be right there to make sure that we get back what we gave up. That of course has not happened. Ford is rolling in dough right now. We didn't even get as much as our lost break time back. Now the IUAW tries to dangle a carrot of a signing bonus in our faces (right before Christmas, of course) but its not really a true signing bonus. It is part of our profit sharing. Money that we should be getting untouched from an allowance in the first place. If Ford decides to relocate our product to Mexico because of this, let them. The PR from this will bite them on the ass. With the way things are going in the presidential debates about outsourcing, I highly doubt anything else, that wasn't already planned, goes over seas anytime soon. I myself plan on staying strong and not being afraid of what will happen from the contract vote. Fear can ruin a persons life. |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 19, 2015 21:19:45 GMT -5
If they send it there then hopefully Dumbass Americans won't buy the junkie things! Well we buy everything else including vehicles from other countries so I don't think that would stop them. |
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