ccrewdummie
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Post by ccrewdummie on Nov 20, 2015 4:34:16 GMT -5
First of all I am tier 2 and I voted for the contract. Secondly stop blaming new hires for this being voted down. Legacy still had majority of votes. If this contract has been voted down (I haven't seen Michigan's numbers yet) then I hope and pray people are right and something better is offered. I personally thought it was a decent contract. I wish they had offered Legacy more then they did but overall I seen a lot of gains, with the insurance and the path to full pay. I'm April 2nd 2012 and the chances for me to roll to Legacy with in the next 6 months to a year were looking pretty good. But I was ok with waiting a few more years. I am also married to a legacy and have most of the benefits she has. So a no vote would have been an obvious choice. I voted yes because I was thinking about the future new hires. The thoughts of a strike scares the hell out of me. It is what it is and at the end of the day all I can do is hope everything works itself out
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Post by beaner on Nov 20, 2015 5:14:00 GMT -5
again I voted yes as a new hire. Look at the numbers. All major plants voted no, but the 5 new hires that you talked to really pushed this one thru lol.
I think it's funny how now that it's peril Settles comes back from his two weeks of being "sick" (during the most important times) to inform people.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 5:15:31 GMT -5
67%. 33% truth!!!!
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 5:38:33 GMT -5
Are those DTP's final numbers? 67% yes - 33% no?
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Post by justaworker on Nov 20, 2015 5:41:30 GMT -5
Are those DTP's final numbers? 67% yes - 33% no? no, their voting does not end until 6PM i believe. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 5:45:09 GMT -5
Why would someone think that a 2nd offer wouldn't be BETTER?If not why would the 67% of the original NO voters vote yes the next time?
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 5:47:23 GMT -5
Are those DTP's final numbers? 67% yes - 33% no? no, their voting does not end until 6PM i believe. Ok. Thanks . The chart with all the totals said they finish on the 19th. Do you mean 6 am maybe? |
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 5:58:47 GMT -5
Why would someone think that a 2nd offer wouldn't be BETTER?If not why would the 67% of the original NO voters vote yes the next time? I would assume the second would be better. A lot of people are saying it would be worse, but that's not how negotiating goes. I believe we had a "good" deal. I also believe that we ( 2nd tier ) deserve a faster track to full wages. I've been with LAP for just under 4 years so I would be halfway there, but 15 years ago I would already be at full pay. 8 years seems a little ridiculous. I also believe that Tier 1 employees deserve more than the 2 raises and 2 lump sums that was offered . I know a lot was given up 12 years ago and I have Tier 1 family members so I've heard all about it. I don't think the second agreement will have a pony and a trip to Disneyland , but I hope to see some beneficial adjustments for both Tiers and nothing removed. |
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Post by driverx on Nov 20, 2015 6:08:57 GMT -5
Be proud of your vote. Be proud of your union. Be mad at the ones who didn't vote. Voting is our best tool..I just hope everyone knows how to use it.
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Post by Ktpt on Nov 20, 2015 6:17:32 GMT -5
Why would someone think that a 2nd offer wouldn't be BETTER?If not why would the 67% of the original NO voters vote yes the next time? They wouldn't. If there is a revote, the 20% of people that didn't vote will come out and vote yes |
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 20, 2015 7:40:09 GMT -5
Why would someone think that a 2nd offer wouldn't be BETTER?If not why would the 67% of the original NO voters vote yes the next time? They wouldn't. If there is a revote, the 20% of people that didn't vote will come out and vote yes That's because the union reps will be on a full court press of scare tactics and the polling booths will be moved inside the plant. We've already seen that movie... |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 7:45:50 GMT -5
They wouldn't. If there is a revote, the 20% of people that didn't vote will come out and vote yes That's because the union reps will be on a full court press of scare tactics and the polling booths will be moved inside the plant. We've already seen that movie... Question???Been here 20+,and never been part of a revote on a contract..Union positions yes..What mandates a revote?Do you know the protocol for that to occur?Ty |
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 9:04:10 GMT -5
I don't understand why we haven't seen the results from DTP . I know the chart said they voted Wednesday and Thursday . Something change?
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Nov 20, 2015 9:14:16 GMT -5
The union has the option to bring the exact same contract up for a revote, with the added bonus that a "no" vote will result in a strike........
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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 9:16:04 GMT -5
I don't understand why we haven't seen the results from DTP . I know the chart said they voted Wednesday and Thursday . Something change? Takes time to rig a vote, have to have all the T's crossed & I's dotted |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 9:24:42 GMT -5
I don't understand why we haven't seen the results from DTP . I know the chart said they voted Wednesday and Thursday . Something change? Takes time to rig a vote, have to have all the T's crossed & I's dotted Pretty sure I read no news till Friday late??Who knows though |
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 9:39:20 GMT -5
I don't understand why we haven't seen the results from DTP . I know the chart said they voted Wednesday and Thursday . Something change? Takes time to rig a vote, have to have all the T's crossed & I's dotted Yeah I was thinking the same thing... Settles needs that bonus and he's definitely been bought somehow |
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Post by justhere on Nov 20, 2015 9:41:42 GMT -5
Takes time to rig a vote, have to have all the T's crossed & I's dotted Pretty sure I read no news till Friday late??Who knows though I'm not 100% metal man , but that updated graph said W&T . They may have extended it to todqy because of the meeting Wednesday . I'm surprised all poles aren't reopen for non voters to get in there |
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Post by Ktpt on Nov 20, 2015 10:09:54 GMT -5
They wouldn't. If there is a revote, the 20% of people that didn't vote will come out and vote yes That's because the union reps will be on a full court press of scare tactics and the polling booths will be moved inside the plant. We've already seen that movie... exactly |
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Post by Ktpt on Nov 20, 2015 10:16:03 GMT -5
DTP polls close at 6 pm
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 20, 2015 10:26:04 GMT -5
I never heard anything from the union officials on whether they support the contract or not. Was anything passed out that maybe I didn't get? for LAP that is...I never see my committeeman so I couldn't ask
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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 11:14:11 GMT -5
The union has the option to bring the exact same contract up for a revote, with the added bonus that a "no" vote will result in a strike........ They also have the option of accepting the contract on our behalf anyway I believe. Teamsters did this at UPS for their last contract and it was voted down by a wider margin than what we are looking at. If we finish 49-51 or 48-52 your talking 500-1500 total vote difference & I woikdnt be suprised to see them just accept it anyway. Not sure if our constitution has the same language as UPS but would imagine it is hidden somewhere in the depths of it. |
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Post by lap65 on Nov 20, 2015 11:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 12:35:15 GMT -5
So we account for less than 7% of the cost of the vehicles, but paying us more raises the costs substantially? Yeah, I don't think so.
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Post by 30yearsentence on Nov 20, 2015 13:03:44 GMT -5
I just don't see significant gains over what they are offering now if we do go back to the table...Thanks for posting video...Good watch and nice story on the Escape. |
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 13:27:52 GMT -5
Omg. After what Jimmy told Fords VP Hinrichs. " there's NO MORE $$$ to be had by going back to the bargaining table." WTF. Pass this rag before our leadership has any more to do with it. ** Surrender before the fight. I thought only the French did that. Ha.
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Post by Ktpt on Nov 20, 2015 14:36:03 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly. Send my check now and let's get this circus over.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 20, 2015 14:41:05 GMT -5
Omg. After what Jimmy told Fords VP Hinrichs. " there's NO MORE $$$ to be had by going back to the bargaining table." WTF. Pass this rag before our leadership has any more to do with it. ** Surrender before the fight. I thought only the French did that. Ha. Actually what Hinrichs said was more in line with what Jimmy should have said, basically we thought it was a good deal but if the membership disagrees, then we go back to the table. |
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Post by Ktp1989 on Nov 20, 2015 14:55:59 GMT -5
Things will be eliminated in place of more signing bonus or maybe getting the minute back on the hour...things move to make the membership happy but nothing gained overall...when you get something better you lose something elsewhere.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 15:00:58 GMT -5
Things will be eliminated in place of more signing bonus or maybe getting the minute back on the hour...things move to make the membership happy but nothing gained overall...when you get something better you lose something elsewhere. If you vote yes for it... |
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