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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 20:30:30 GMT -5
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Post by nra4life on Nov 21, 2015 20:31:56 GMT -5
Lol, gona say he has more than 15 years in.... |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 20:42:26 GMT -5
Might be a new hire?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 20:43:09 GMT -5
Maybe he was about to go to $28.76/hour, now he has to wait nearly 4 years to get there?
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Post by pmooret on Nov 21, 2015 21:03:11 GMT -5
I couldn't figure out why they were giving tier 2 such big raises but hardly nothing for legacy. Now I realize it was to draw their attention away from not carrying over the 20% cap from the last contract. I'm slow sometimes!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 21:36:16 GMT -5
Yep, you can have 40% of your workforce in the midst of an 8 year progression to max wages...hell 100%...lol
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 22, 2015 11:45:55 GMT -5
Heard something kind of enteraining at the highlights reading. A new hire, 2 week employee stood up on the microphone & told the International that he wanted back what we have lost.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 12:23:03 GMT -5
are you all nuts?  getting rid of the 80/20 was the one thing they did right. before this, due to insourcing, 29% of our employees were topped out at $19. now, all of them are on a path to $30. i get being unhappy with the contract, i voted yes and will admit im not thrilled with it. but if you're looking at getting rid of the cap as a negative you are not seeing things clearly. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 12:29:50 GMT -5
are you all nuts? getting rid of the 80/20 was the one thing they did right. before this, due to insourcing, 29% of our employees were topped out at $19. now, all of them are on a path to $30. i get being unhappy with the contract, i voted yes and will admit im not thrilled with it. but if you're looking at getting rid of the cap as a negative you are not seeing things clearly. So why isn't it a 8 yr contract??I wanna believe that the 8 yr thing is true,but how can you believe this Union???Ill bet ANYBODY that they don't get top pay in 8 yrs..Plus when legacy is a minority around say 2023 or 2025 and we vote on a lump sum retirement VS pension how do you think they young ones will vote??Bye bye retirement..Cap is the only way..Plus when a person retires (which they will during the so called 8 yrs)the cap would let them go to top pay right away.. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 12:33:37 GMT -5
are you all nuts? getting rid of the 80/20 was the one thing they did right. before this, due to insourcing, 29% of our employees were topped out at $19. now, all of them are on a path to $30. i get being unhappy with the contract, i voted yes and will admit im not thrilled with it. but if you're looking at getting rid of the cap as a negative you are not seeing things clearly. So why isn't it a 8 yr contract??I wanna believe that the 8 yr thing is true,but how can you believe this Union???Ill bet ANYBODY that they don't get top pay in 8 yrs.. thats just the scare tactic that the "no" voters were using. i hired in 2002, contract was up in 2003. we never worried that they would change our progression during the 2003 negotiations, nor should these people. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 12:37:46 GMT -5
oh, but to answer your question. the reason it takes 8 years is to keep costs down. not sure if any of you have noticed, but the uaw and the big 3 no longer set the wages in the industry. back in the day, we could negotiate with ford and get great gains because their competitors were going to give the same pay and benefits. NOW, we have all these damn non union foreign plants that pay $15-$20 an hour top out. that has greatly diminished the value of our labor. those are just the sad facts of the matter. want to be mad about our contract, be mad at the people that buy foreign cars.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 12:43:31 GMT -5
oh, but to answer your question. the reason it takes 8 years is to keep costs down. not sure if any of you have noticed, but the uaw and the big 3 no longer set the wages in the industry. back in the day, we could negotiate with ford and get great gains because their competitors were going to give the same pay and benefits. NOW, we have all these damn non union foreign plants that pay $15-$20 an hour top out. that has greatly diminished the value of our labor. those are just the sad facts of the matter. want to be mad about our contract, be mad at the people that buy foreign cars. I'm not mad about the GAINS and it's done..I only bitch on here HOPING that our union would travel back in time to the day where WE HAS A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENED AT OUR WORKPLACE...Clearly it's not gonna happen.But I back the UAW WITH ALL MY HEART...Can't say I brag On them but I know it is the only way working in a factory environment ..PS the people that buy our product dont buy foreign trucks...And the price of our trucks have SKYROCKETED WHILE OUR PAY HAS BEEN STALLED AT 28.76???Explain? |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 12:45:55 GMT -5
yeah, i hate the international UAW. and am beginning to have a dislike for our local "leadership"...but couldn't work here without a union.
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 13:59:54 GMT -5
So why isn't it a 8 yr contract??I wanna believe that the 8 yr thing is true,but how can you believe this Union???Ill bet ANYBODY that they don't get top pay in 8 yrs.. thats just the scare tactic that the "no" voters were using. i hired in 2002, contract was up in 2003. we never worried that they would change our progression during the 2003 negotiations, nor should these people. Oh but "no" voters didn't use any scare tactics, only their enemy the union did remember? It's pointless arguing anymore with these people justaworker. The level of stupidity is beyond measure. It's absolutely impossible. They've made up their minds' and nothing is going to change it. Even though us 95's got our top pay a contract later, even though it took us 95's 8-9 years to reach $28/hr, none of that matters. You just can't reason with people who are so completely and absolutely infected with stupidity. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 14:53:56 GMT -5
both sides used scare tactics. the difference is, the union was just being honest with people.
i work on bcrew with mainly all two tier people. really good workers that deserve to have what we have. well one guy told me he was voting no, because he didnt like how he was scheduled to hit top pay after this contract. hes actually going to hit traditional pay a month after this contract expires. i explained to him that we all top out under a different contract than we hire in with. he understood my point, but all the idiots on facebook had him convinced that he would never see traditional pay. so he voted no....fast forward to friday. as soon as we got to work, he said he heard a rumor that if the contract failed, we would have to work friday for straight time, no holiday pay. i laughed, and then informed him that if we didnt have a ratified agreement we would either have an extension, or most likely be on strike or locked out by ford....his jaw literally dropped!! he said, "can they do that?"... i was like, buddy...they made us an offer that makes us the highest paid workers in our industry. they told us there was no more money to be bargained for, and we voted it down. we told them, no. we wouldn't work for what they were offering. most of those "no" voters spent friday evening praying that the contract would pass. it was a really interesting night at work, to say the least.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:01:04 GMT -5
thats just the scare tactic that the "no" voters were using. i hired in 2002, contract was up in 2003. we never worried that they would change our progression during the 2003 negotiations, nor should these people. Oh but "no" voters didn't use any scare tactics, only their enemy the union did remember? It's pointless arguing anymore with these people justaworker. The level of stupidity is beyond measure. It's absolutely impossible. They've made up their minds' and nothing is going to change it. Even though us 95's got our top pay a contract later, even though it took us 95's 8-9 years to reach $28/hr, none of that matters. You just can't reason with people who are so completely and absolutely infected with stupidity. Not talking 28$ an hour talking top pay in 3 yrs ..Like us 95ers enjoyed.. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:03:52 GMT -5
It's not 1995 anymore.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:03:56 GMT -5
both sides used scare tactics. the difference is, the union was just being honest with people. i work on bcrew with mainly all two tier people. really good workers that deserve to have what we have. well one guy told me he was voting no, because he didnt like how he was scheduled to hit top pay after this contract. hes actually going to hit traditional pay a month after this contract expires. i explained to him that we all top out under a different contract than we hire in with. he understood my point, but all the idiots on facebook had him convinced that he would never see traditional pay. so he voted no....fast forward to friday. as soon as we got to work, he said he heard a rumor that if the contract failed, we would have to work friday for straight time, no holiday pay. i laughed, and then informed him that if we didnt have a ratified agreement we would either have an extension, or most likely be on strike or locked out by ford....his jaw literally dropped!! he said, "can they do that?"... i was like, buddy...they made us an offer that makes us the highest paid workers in our industry. they told us there was no more money to be bargained for, and we voted it down. we told them, no. we wouldn't work for what they were offering. most of those "no" voters spent friday evening praying that the contract would pass. it was a really interesting night at work, to say the least. I will tell you stupidity ...taking a first offer..dumb fucks....!!! |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:04:30 GMT -5
Duh really.... |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:05:05 GMT -5
Nobody took the first offer. We don't vote on ford's offers, we vote on agreements between ford and the uaw.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:08:08 GMT -5
Nobody took the first offer. We don't vote on ford's offers, we vote on agreements between ford and the uaw. It's an offer they brought us dude |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:11:49 GMT -5
It's an agreement they brought us, and 52% of us were fine with it. You think that was ford's first offer? Don't you think they would have rather kept 29% of us at $19?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:21:24 GMT -5
It's an agreement they brought us, and 52% of us were fine with it. You think that was ford's first offer? Don't you think they would have rather kept 29% of us at $19? Yes I think that is what Ford GAVE THE UAW. And they jumped on it... |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:22:27 GMT -5
Let's make it simple..how much do you wanna bet that they don't or do reach top pay in 8 years???Name the amount??
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:23:31 GMT -5
Let's make it simple..how much do you wanna bet that they don't or do reach top pay in 8 years???Name the amount?? You don't need to scare them into voting no anymore. It's over. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:23:10 GMT -5
It's an agreement they brought us, and 52% of us were fine with it. You think that was ford's first offer? Don't you think they would have rather kept 29% of us at $19? Actually a fishy 51.4% |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:25:28 GMT -5
Let's make it simple..how much do you wanna bet that they don't or do reach top pay in 8 years???Name the amount?? You don't need to scare them into voting no anymore. It's over. Put your money where your bigmouth is..Dude I'm happy I get 10000 bonus 2 raises.etc..What's your point?You believe them or not? |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:31:51 GMT -5
I'm not the one with a big mouth. There is literally no logical reason to believe that we will not let people reach traditional pay. There are things to be upset about, that's not one of them.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:33:55 GMT -5
So you are not willing to make a wager ,where as I am???That says it all to me..Have a good one ..We are union brothers and if shit hit the fan I still would have your back...Regardless of differences..
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 17:37:30 GMT -5
Yeah, because I don't see the point in betting on something that's 4 years away, and with an anonymous person, at a different plant....smh. I still love you though, we all in the same boat.
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getting rid of the 80/20 was the one thing they did right. before this, due to insourcing, 29% of our employees were topped out at $19. now, all of them are on a path to $30. i get being unhappy with the contract, i voted yes and will admit im not thrilled with it. but if you're looking at getting rid of the cap as a negative you are not seeing things clearly.