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Post by hughjorgan on May 16, 2017 20:07:12 GMT -5
Educate me. With about 6 weeks left until summer shutdown there is still a lot of confusion in the SUV Departments over the pending layoffs. I have not been available to get any type of definitive answer from the Company or the UAW concerning this issue. I have a family member who is currently working in SUV Body, and has not been notified of the duration of his upcoming time off. He is not eligible for SUB pay,as such he is interested in working after the 2 week summer shutdown period. Can he volunteer to go to "available work" until the SUV Body Shop is back operational? I see the language in VOL. 1 Article VIII Section 21 concerning launch of less than 30 days. Do we have any type of "Local Seniority Agreements" as discussed in this Article ? We are currently hiring summer help on a regular basis. Do these folks have rights that In Progression employees do not have ? I have asked this question to the numerous fine folks who parade daily through my area promising great advancements in exchange for my vote. Oddly, no one has returned with an answer. Help a brother out.
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on May 16, 2017 21:24:00 GMT -5
Welcome to Ford. Thats about all i got for ya bud.
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Post by bluelu on May 16, 2017 23:50:08 GMT -5
They can do that 😂😂😂
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 17, 2017 4:43:22 GMT -5
Be more than happy to teach them my job,and take the layoff..not sayin just sayin😗
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on May 17, 2017 6:49:38 GMT -5
Be more than happy to teach them my job,and take the layoff..not sayin just sayin😗 In a perfect world, thats how it should work. But some noob whom i have years on will get a 6 week vacation over me. |
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on May 17, 2017 6:51:27 GMT -5
Watching some of these noobs bitch and moan in body shop makes me sick to my stomach. Everybody should put work in final area before being rewarded gravy train. Not sayin just sayin
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 17, 2017 7:17:17 GMT -5
I agree and they're on day shift??Theyll never make it when the bubble burst
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Post by thisplacesux on May 17, 2017 7:45:24 GMT -5
Took me 17 years to hold dayshift in bodyshop, crazy. Everyone was given the opportunity to transfer and few took it so they can't bitch now. I know people who still work in final after nearly 20years cause they're too scared of change...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 9:40:46 GMT -5
Took me 17 years to hold dayshift in bodyshop, crazy. Everyone was given the opportunity to transfer and few took it so they can't bitch now. I know people who still work in final after nearly 20years cause they're too scared of change... I still work in final cuz: body is boring as fuck,I don't do well with that. It's way way hotter. All the girls are way too covered up,lol. I'm on days so if my job sux that's on me.ive been everywhere,not scared of change. |
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Post by hughjorgan on May 17, 2017 11:22:07 GMT -5
Anyone care to take a stab at answering the question ?
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Post by nra4life on May 17, 2017 11:43:57 GMT -5
Anyone care to take a stab at answering the question ? If he wants to work the two week shutdown period there is a process for that on the "hps" system if there is any available. Will be under "cleanup". Everyone has been given a long warning that this is coming, if he isn't able to collect sub pay and needs the cash he should put his name on a department transfer list. I'm sure not the answers your looking for but giving you the truth not what you want to hear. Stay safe people |
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on May 17, 2017 12:05:01 GMT -5
Took me 17 years to hold dayshift in bodyshop, crazy. Everyone was given the opportunity to transfer and few took it so they can't bitch now. I know people who still work in final after nearly 20years cause they're too scared of change... I do too! Its just a damn shame..... |
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Post by gator on May 17, 2017 12:50:41 GMT -5
Unless the union makes a special agreement for the down time the temporary layoff will go by natural work groups. I don't know if old body and new body are the same natural work group but if they aren't he will have to take the layoff. Now if it was a permanent layoff it would go by the whole plant. In the past the union has made agreements through TLO's, whether or not they do that is not known yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:52:41 GMT -5
Anyone care to take a stab at answering the question ? This is the rumor mill. Not the answer place. Hike ur ass up to the union office and jump up and down up there.aight? I would volunteer to be laid off if I could,promise. |
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Post by hughjorgan on May 18, 2017 17:44:06 GMT -5
Tried that. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. Thanks for feeling like you need to reply to every thread on here.Have a good one.
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Post by saugerman on May 18, 2017 20:21:03 GMT -5
Tried that. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. Thanks for feeling like you need to reply to every thread on here.Have a good one. Actually he did...if you want to know something contractually you would be better off to go to labor and ask. The assclowns running for committeeman just want off the line..(there are a few good ones that actually do a good deal for the people on the line)...AR-15A2 can sometimes come across as a little rough..but he is generally right in most things he posts...I respect his input on here....so take a breath...cool down...it's not for real...it's Ford Motor Company..  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 9:06:31 GMT -5
Tried that. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. Thanks for feeling like you need to reply to every thread on here.Have a good one. That or I can't read ur mind. U mention asking campaigning people. A lot of them aren't even in office yet. If u actually walked up to the office,u don't say so in ur post. Every time I've done that myself I've gotten an answer. |
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Post by hughjorgan on May 19, 2017 15:06:51 GMT -5
Did you get the right answer? I don't know if I have or have not, since I've gotten 14 different ones. Which one if these fine folks would you suggest I talk to to get the correct answer. I don't see anything in the books about when you have to let people know about type of layoff, duration, etc. I know the folks that are SUB eligible could give 2 shuts, but some of these kids have not worked long enough to draw full unemployment. I wonder if Volpert knows ??
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:30:39 GMT -5
Bargaining committee person or Rodney .being as it's Election Day,asking in labor might not be a bad idea as sauger said. When those guys are in the office ,they have better resources than when u see em on the floor. Yes that may just mean they can call labor right then. It's always worked for me,I used to ask dan Davila a lot of things. He always helped me
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Post by blackbird66 on May 20, 2017 5:42:53 GMT -5
Considering how many people are potentially effected, the local leadership should have already explained some details to all the committee people so they would be prepared with what answers can be provided.
We know no one knows for sure how long the down time will be, but it would just be so much more productive and easier to have put the effort in to provide as many answers as possible, before all the rumors start.
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Post by beenaround on May 20, 2017 11:08:15 GMT -5
If the local leadership has any Kahunas what-so-ever they will ask for the inverse seniority rule concerning any temporary layoff time. No if,ands,or buts about it. Pretty simple.
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Post by hughjorgan on May 20, 2017 17:35:27 GMT -5
Whole situation is just shady. I've heard projections all the way in to September for the SUV launch. Hiring mode, laying off full timers, no survey of senior employees, kind of makes you wonder. I think some folks are getting ready to get it broke off in their ass.
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Post by gator on May 20, 2017 18:46:46 GMT -5
I was told a minimum of 6 weeks
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 21, 2017 6:29:17 GMT -5
EVERYTHING should go by seniority...That's why you have a union in the first place..Let the new hires come to new body and work..
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Post by knowthebiz on May 21, 2017 11:14:28 GMT -5
The chaos that would be created if people were moved around to different departments so senior employees could be laid off! Everyone had a chance to transfer to departments im the beginning...now everyone wants to go just to have downtime is pitiful!
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on May 21, 2017 12:24:05 GMT -5
The chaos that would be created if people were moved around to different departments so senior employees could be laid off! Everyone had a chance to transfer to departments im the beginning...now everyone wants to go just to have downtime is pitiful! No, its not pitiful, its contractual. Maybe one day you'll understand that. |
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Post by tiger66 on May 21, 2017 13:26:44 GMT -5
Not going to happen. Too much work for management.
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Post by hughjorgan on May 21, 2017 13:50:51 GMT -5
Wait until the employees that are not in progression and on layoff figure out the STS in final are passing them in seniority because of weeks worked ! Don't see anything in the contract about allowances for that.
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Post by tiger66 on May 21, 2017 14:25:36 GMT -5
1 SUV body shop and 1SUV paint shop full of people. If they moved everybody around, they would have to train hundreds of people on new jobs that's only 6-8 weeks. Never happen.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 21, 2017 14:46:51 GMT -5
The chaos that would be created if people were moved around to different departments so senior employees could be laid off! Everyone had a chance to transfer to departments im the beginning...now everyone wants to go just to have downtime is pitiful! Not Pitaful!!!Its the senior employees right!!Im talking natural work group.. |
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