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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 1, 2019 18:16:56 GMT -5
What kind of seniority does it take to hold bodyshop & stamping on A-crew?......just curious Not sure but I think there’s 12s On right now.? Oh I was thinking all high seniority. I've never worked in body but I've always heard stamping is the place to be |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 1, 2019 19:59:37 GMT -5
Not sure but I think there’s 12s On right now.? Oh I was thinking all high seniority. I've never worked in body but I've always heard stamping is the place to be Bid jobs are all above 94. |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 1, 2019 20:39:09 GMT -5
If only I had time to retire!!!
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 1, 2019 20:40:11 GMT -5
Or the money to retire .
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 1, 2019 20:42:52 GMT -5
Rumor is ford wants the old folks to stick around. Don’t guess the younger 1/2 price generation wants to work
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Post by agslater on Feb 2, 2019 5:29:20 GMT -5
Rumor is ford wants the old folks to stick around. Don’t guess the younger 1/2 price generation wants to work No they want you guys gone so they can rack up the profit margin with us half paid people. |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 2, 2019 5:41:36 GMT -5
Rumor is ford wants the old folks to stick around. Don’t guess the younger 1/2 price generation wants to work No they want you guys gone so they can rack up the profit margin with us half paid people. Exactly! they want legacy workers gone |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 2, 2019 7:11:34 GMT -5
They need old farts to keep the place running! Young ones can’t make it to work on time,
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 2, 2019 7:30:03 GMT -5
They need old farts to keep the place running! Young ones can’t make it to work on time, Ford wants to be like UPS a revolving door for part time workers |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 2, 2019 7:43:01 GMT -5
I’ll go!Show me a REAL buyout.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 2, 2019 8:41:06 GMT -5
I’ll go!Show me a REAL buyout. I think the buyouts will be same as last contract. Hopefully not |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 2, 2019 9:07:32 GMT -5
I’ll go!Show me a REAL buyout. I think the buyouts will be same as last contract. Hopefully not That won’t come close.I wouldn’t even take the 100,000 they gave in 03.I would love to hear 25 and out though.Even at a pro rated number.That way the 1/2 paid workers can have it. |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 2, 2019 12:13:03 GMT -5
No buyout this time around.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 2, 2019 12:25:19 GMT -5
No buyout this time around. Just wondering?How do you already know this when we haven’t started contract talks?Not trying to be an asswipe.Just a question. |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 2, 2019 12:53:30 GMT -5
My opinion and probably 100% wrong but here goes: Ford stock has taken an absolute beating since the new ceo got appointed. He was hired specifically to increase ford stock price. The easiest thing in the world for him to do to increase stock price would be to come out and say “ I’m cutting major hourly jobs at ford”. He hasn’t done that. I believe they need all North American plants that make trucks and suv’s Running 100%. Like it or not and Ford did it to their self the newer people in the system are not dependable. I watch them walk new hires in by the hundreds to replace the ones quitting and go to lunch and not come back.
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Post by gator on Feb 2, 2019 15:26:09 GMT -5
The auto industry has always been finicky in the stock market. Ford is currently still building their plants to 100% production, for example SUV 3 crews. Once LAP gets retooled for the electric escape they will go back to 3 crews. When we get 100% then the lean manufacturing will kick in and cuts will be made. As long as the economy stays strong I think this contract will stay consistent with a few carrot enticements. If the economy makes a slight shift downward look out. I think the next contract will get interesting, the new hires will get close to top out pay and that’s when they will want work force cuts. The cheap labor will no longer be cheap and the large percentage of careless workers in this new generation will not allow ford to give a second thought to cuts unfortunately. Which is sad because there is a percentage that really want to work.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 2, 2019 16:14:36 GMT -5
The auto industry has always been finicky in the stock market. Ford is currently still building their plants to 100% production, for example SUV 3 crews. Once LAP gets retooled for the electric escape they will go back to 3 crews. When we get 100% then the lean manufacturing will kick in and cuts will be made. As long as the economy stays strong I think this contract will stay consistent with a few carrot enticements. If the economy makes a slight shift downward look out. I think the next contract will get interesting, the new hires will get close to top out pay and that’s when they will want work force cuts. The cheap labor will no longer be cheap and the large percentage of careless workers in this new generation will not allow ford to give a second thought to cuts unfortunately. Which is sad because there is a percentage that really want to work. All true BUT (Lmao) lets say you cut (buyouts ,etc.) by say Buy 25% then give the kids a raise but not top pay.You still have a good workforce cheaper.Most of the newbies will work . |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 2, 2019 16:30:41 GMT -5
LAP is not going back to 3 crews. If it does it will not last. Too many other SUVs coming out in the next 2 or 3 years....all will be built in Mexico
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 2, 2019 16:51:07 GMT -5
LAP is not going back to 3 crews. If it does it will not last. Too many other SUVs coming out in the next 2 or 3 years....all will be built in Mexico That’s like our SUVs ..Seems like they will fade and only need 1-2 shifts to fill orders eventually?Like the Excursion.. |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Feb 2, 2019 17:40:01 GMT -5
LAP is not going back to 3 crews. If it does it will not last. Too many other SUVs coming out in the next 2 or 3 years....all will be built in Mexico That’s like our SUVs ..Seems like they will fade and only need 1-2 shifts to fill orders eventually?Like the Excursion.. How long has 3 crews been running? Couple of years now? |
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Post by agslater on Feb 3, 2019 13:32:54 GMT -5
The auto industry has always been finicky in the stock market. Ford is currently still building their plants to 100% production, for example SUV 3 crews. Once LAP gets retooled for the electric escape they will go back to 3 crews. When we get 100% then the lean manufacturing will kick in and cuts will be made. As long as the economy stays strong I think this contract will stay consistent with a few carrot enticements. If the economy makes a slight shift downward look out. I think the next contract will get interesting, the new hires will get close to top out pay and that’s when they will want work force cuts. The cheap labor will no longer be cheap and the large percentage of careless workers in this new generation will not allow ford to give a second thought to cuts unfortunately. Which is sad because there is a percentage that really want to work. All true BUT (Lmao) lets say you cut (buyouts ,etc.) by say Buy 25% then give the kids a raise but not top pay.You still have a good workforce cheaper.Most of the newbies will work . Not so sure. If I only top out at 25/ hour im outta here. Also I always think in the back of my mind they are using us low paid people to make a killer profit then get us outta here once we make higher pay and labor gets expensive. Then they can just rehire and or hire temps. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 3, 2019 13:58:40 GMT -5
All true BUT (Lmao) lets say you cut (buyouts ,etc.) by say Buy 25% then give the kids a raise but not top pay.You still have a good workforce cheaper.Most of the newbies will work . Not so sure. If I only top out at 25/ hour im outta here. Also I always think in the back of my mind they are using us low paid people to make a killer profit then get us outta here once we make higher pay and labor gets expensive. Then they can just rehire and or hire temps. I don’t think they want you all to go anywhere.I just think that your “Top pay” and ours will be different.If I ran this place I would never let the in transitions reach 30.51.But I hope I’m wrong.Dont see a person quitting cause they make 25.00 .But hey I’m on your side.Never Should of been 2 tiers and I honestly don’t know a single person that voted for it. |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 3, 2019 14:47:12 GMT -5
It creates a lot of hostility in the workplace when 2 employees doing the same jobs are making 2 different wages. Ford and the UAW know this. That being said the big 3 will never give it up. As soon as the legacy people retire that wage is gone.
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Post by agslater on Feb 3, 2019 15:26:06 GMT -5
It creates a lot of hostility in the workplace when 2 employees doing the same jobs are making 2 different wages. Ford and the UAW know this. That being said the big 3 will never give it up. As soon as the legacy people retire that wage is gone. But I do understand some type of pay increase structure for newer hires. Just not 8 years. I feel like I bust my ass every day like most in there do. My hands and body have felt it lately. This line speed and B crew truck number weve been wearing me down lately. 3 years in and making 21.65. As bad as it sucks and it does suck working here the benefits for families are great and a good 401k. |
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Post by tiger66 on Feb 3, 2019 17:56:51 GMT -5
Hang in there brother, it will get easier. My 1st five years every once in awhile I’d feel like a caged animal in there. I’d start shaking feeling like just running out. It gets easier.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 3, 2019 21:43:31 GMT -5
Hang in there brother, it will get easier. My 1st five years every once in awhile I’d feel like a caged animal in there. I’d start shaking feeling like just running out. It gets easier. But ...After 24 yrs I’m still on the line like the day I started..No good bids anymore..Unless you like C,B crew.So Still blows. |
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Post by agslater on Feb 3, 2019 22:31:26 GMT -5
Hang in there brother, it will get easier. My 1st five years every once in awhile I’d feel like a caged animal in there. I’d start shaking feeling like just running out. It gets easier. But ...After 24 yrs I’m still on the line like the day I started..No good bids anymore..Unless you like C,B crew.So Still blows. Well being on A crew is almost like a different job. Ive worked plenty of Sundays on A and b and c are slave shifts compared to A. A gets all the perks. The most absurd thing about any shift difference us A gets double pay on their overtime day and we get 1 1/2. Its complete shit. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 4, 2019 4:57:30 GMT -5
But ...After 24 yrs I’m still on the line like the day I started..No good bids anymore..Unless you like C,B crew.So Still blows. Well being on A crew is almost like a different job. Ive worked plenty of Sundays on A and b and c are slave shifts compared to A. A gets all the perks. The most absurd thing about any shift difference us A gets double pay on their overtime day and we get 1 1/2. Its complete shit. Yep.Your OT day is Thursday?Which is complete horse shit to me.How could a whole shift work Thursday?A/B already work that day.Different job?We run like a cheetah in Body.And we have all the white shirts on our shift.No perks on A crew.. |
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Post by agslater on Feb 4, 2019 12:32:14 GMT -5
Well being on A crew is almost like a different job. Ive worked plenty of Sundays on A and b and c are slave shifts compared to A. A gets all the perks. The most absurd thing about any shift difference us A gets double pay on their overtime day and we get 1 1/2. Its complete shit. Yep.Your OT day is Thursday?Which is complete horse shit to me.How could a whole shift work Thursday?A/B already work that day.Different job?We run like a cheetah in Body.And we have all the white shirts on our shift.No perks on A crew.. No im referring to Saturdays. When we work super saturdays (b crew) we get time and a half. A crew super sunday is double pay |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 4, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5
Yep.Your OT day is Thursday?Which is complete horse shit to me.How could a whole shift work Thursday?A/B already work that day.Different job?We run like a cheetah in Body.And we have all the white shirts on our shift.No perks on A crew.. No im referring to Saturdays. When we work super saturdays (b crew) we get time and a half. A crew super sunday is double pay I know..Your Double time day is Sunday ..If you ever come in on A crew Sunday it’s double time. |
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