Will the Covid19 Vaccine be optional?

[Ex-metalman]

I’m not holding my breath.I said it was only a possibility which you must agree.Don’t care what happens to trump after he’s out of office.I’m only into things that affect me .Not sayin just sayin

[oldhand]

Dec 14, 2020 19:37:32 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

I’m not holding my breath.I said it was only a possibility which you must agree.

I do not agree. No possibilty at all in January 2021.

Yes it is a possibility in theory. So is time travel.

[Ex-metalman]

Dec 14, 2020 19:41:29 GMT -5 oldhand said:

Dec 14, 2020 19:37:32 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

I’m not holding my breath.I said it was only a possibility which you must agree.

I do not agree. No possibilty at all in January 2021.

Yes it is a possibility in theory. So is time travel.

So you disagree with the Constitution?Wow!Well I believe it though.SMH

[oldhand]

^
No.

I can read and comprehend.

From the link: 

The joint session does not act on any objections that are made. Instead, the joint session is

suspended while each house meets separately to debate the objection and vote whether, based on

the objection, to count the vote or votes in question. Both houses must vote separately to agree to

the objection. Otherwise, the objection fails and the vote or votes are counted. (3 U.S.C. §15,

provides that “the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes.... ”)

Democrats control the U.S. House of Representatives. So their vote will prevail regardless of how the U.S. Senate votes.

Sorry to spoil your pipe dream. Fact talks, bullshit walks.

Of course, there will then be the possiblity of rebellion and/or secession. But then the rebels/secessionists will have to face off against the U.S. military.

My guess is the dead-enders would instead resort to terrorism.

[Ex-metalman]

We will see.Clealy states if there “concerns”Pence can read written complaints by complainants and act accordingly..It’s OUR Constitution..It will not happen.BUT who really knows.

[Ex-metalman]

Dec 14, 2020 19:53:27 GMT -5 oldhand said:

^
No.

I can read and comprehend.

From the link: 

The joint session does not act on any objections that are made. Instead, the joint session is

suspended while each house meets separately to debate the objection and vote whether, based on

the objection, to count the vote or votes in question. Both houses must vote separately to agree to

the objection. Otherwise, the objection fails and the vote or votes are counted. (3 U.S.C. §15,

provides that “the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes.... ”)

Democrats control the U.S. House of Representatives. So their vote will prevail regardless of how the U.S. Senate votes.

Sorry to spoil your pipe dream. Fact talks, bullshit walks.

Of course, there will then be the possiblity of rebellion and/or secession. But then the rebels/secessionists will have to face off against the U.S. military.

My guess is the dead-enders would instead resort to terrorism.

Like they did in Oregon?Our Downtown?Those dead Enders?

[oldhand]

^
You had better bet it will not happen.

[oldhand]

Dec 14, 2020 20:21:57 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

Dec 14, 2020 19:53:27 GMT -5 oldhand said:

Like they did in Oregon?Our Downtown?Those dead Enders?

No. I had in mind dead-ender right-winguts like the Proud Boys, the KKK, Terry Nicols and Tim McVeigh.

[Ex-metalman]

Dec 14, 2020 20:25:22 GMT -5 oldhand said:

Dec 14, 2020 20:21:57 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

Like they did in Oregon?Our Downtown?Those dead Enders?

No. I had in mind dead-ender right-winguts like the Proud Boys, the KKK, Terry Nicols and Tim McVeigh.

Never heard of any of them.Haha.Nicols and McVeigh were ANTI government?Not Republican or right.Proud boys is the mirror of ANTIFA.KKK has disappeared...This ain’t the 70s anymore .They’re all idiots in my opinion

[oldhand]

^
Enuff sed.

[Ex-metalman]

Yep

[oldhand]

Dec 14, 2020 20:38:05 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

Dec 14, 2020 20:25:22 GMT -5 oldhand said:

No. I had in mind dead-ender right-winguts like the Proud Boys, the KKK, Terry Nicols and Tim McVeigh.

Never heard of any of them.Haha.

KKK has disappeared... 

Um... no.

OCTOBER 2, 2020

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The acting chief of the Department of Homeland Security’s intelligence office on Friday said he agrees with the FBI director and other administration officials that white supremacists are an active threat to public order.

Joseph Maher, a DHS lawyer, also told a congressional hearing that he hadn’t faced political pressure from political appointees to slant intelligence to suit themes promoted by President Donald Trump such as his assertions that antifa, a largely unstructured far-left movement, stoked urban violence.

“I will not have anybody taking political directions on any intelligence products,” Maher, currently head of the DHS Intelligence and Analysis operation, told a hearing of the Democratic-led House of Representatives Intelligence Committee.

Maher said he agreed with FBI chief Christopher Wray that, “white supremacy is a threat ... when it becomes connected to violence.”

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-intelligence-homeland/acting-u-s-dhs-security-intelligence-chief-says-he-agrees-with-fbi-on-white-supremacist-threat-idUSKBN26N35E

[Ex-metalman]

I don’t believe the Media.Sorry.I think there’s just as much evil on both sides.

[thereandback]

[thereandback]

Thought we could all use a laugh.

[oldhand]

To make my political position clear... the author of this piece represents my views almost exactly. This was published on September, 10, 2020:

This Republican Party Is Not Worth Saving
No one should ever get a second chance to destroy the Constitution.

SEPTEMBER 10, 2020

by Tom Nichols

I was a Republican for most of my adult life. I came of political age in 1980, and although I grew up in a working-class Democratic stronghold in Massachusetts, I found a home in Ronald Reagan’s GOP. Back then, the Republicans were a confident “party of ideas” (a compliment bestowed on them by one of their foes, Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York), optimistic boosters of the American dream at home, and fierce opponents of the Soviet Union overseas. While the Democrats were the party of recrimination and retreat, the Republicans were the party of the future.

I understand the attachment to that GOP, even among those who have sworn to defeat Donald Trump, but the time for sentimentality is over. That party is long gone. Today the Republicans are the party of “American carnage” and Russian collusion, of scams, plots, and weapons-grade contempt for the rule of law. The only decent, sensible, and conservative position is to vote against this Republican Party at every level, and bring the sad final days of a once-great political institution to an end. Then build the party back up again—from scratch.

I’m not advocating for voting against the GOP merely to punish Republicans for Trump’s existence in their party. Rather, conservatives must finally accept that at this point Trump and the Republican Party are indistinguishable. Trump and his circle have gutted the old GOP and stuffed its empty husk with the Trump family’s paranoia and corruption.

Indeed, the transformation of the GOP into a cult of personality is so complete that the Republicans didn’t even bother presenting a platform at their own convention. Like a group of ciphers at a meeting of SPECTRE, they nodded at whatever Number One told them to do, each of them fearing an extended pinkie finger pressing the button that would electrocute them into political oblivion.

Some Republicans, even while they grant that Trump is a sociopath and an idiot—and how unsettling that so many of them will stipulate to that—are willing to continue voting for Republican candidates because the GOP is nominally pro-life or because the administration’s judicial appointments show that the people around the president are doing what conservatives should want done.

But Trump’s few conservative achievements are meaningless when compared with his war on American democracy, a rampage that few Republicans have lifted a finger to stop. Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr have turned the constitutional order and the rule of law into a joke. If you’re Roger Stone or Michael Flynn, the White House will arrange pardons, commutations, or even the outright betrayal of the Justice Department’s own lawyers. Felony convictions are for the little people. The Constitution is just busywork for chumps.

GOP representatives in the people’s house sneer at concepts such as oversight and the separation of powers. Rather than demand accountability from the executive branch on COVID-19, on the Hatch Act, on the Postal Service—on anything, really—they either repose in sullen silence or they take up the lance for the president and overwhelm committee hearings with Trumpian word salad.

Meanwhile, senators who swore to be “impartial” jurors refused to hear actual evidence during an impeachment trial. They confirmed a rogue’s gallery of incompetent henchmen and cronies to important positions. They continue to downplay Russian attacks on the U.S. political system and are now outfoxed by the likes of John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, a nonentity who has ruled that none of them, Republican or Democrat, should be allowed to ask any pesky questions about election security in person.

“But Gorsuch,” Republicans chirp when pressed about their party’s demise, as if Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh will saddle up and save us when elected Republicans refuse to stop Trump from finally turning the FBI into his private police force or Barr from using the Department of Homeland Security as the White House’s own Belarusian interior ministry. (Kavanaugh, who warned during his confirmation hearings that “what goes around comes around,” might be exactly the justice to put his stamp on such moves.)

Conservatives must also let go of fantasies about saving the “good” Republicans, a list that is virtually nonexistent. (You can’t count Mitt Romney more than once.) The occasional furrowed brow—a specialty of the feckless Susan Collins of Maine—is not enough. The few, like Romney, who have dared grasp at moments of sanity have been pilloried by Trump and other Republicans. In any case, Romney is chained to the GOP caucus, a crew that includes the jabbering Louie Gohmert and calculating Elise Stefanik in the House, and the sniveling Ted Cruz and amoral Mitch McConnell in the Senate.

Would-be Madisonians among the Republicans warn that no party should have untrammeled access to the levers of power—and especially not the Democrats. Yes, they say, we understand that Trump must go, but if Joe Biden is allowed to run the executive branch without a Republican Senate, America will become a one-party state that sooner or later will fall under the boot of the dreaded Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. This faux constitutionalism is naked hypocrisy: I do not recall, during my days in the GOP, anyone on the right ever pleading that Americans should leave at least a few Democrats in office so that we Republicans would not go crazy and start force-feeding Ayn Rand or Friedrich Hayek to impressionable schoolchildren.

America needs two healthy political parties. So if the Republicans suffer a full-spectrum defeat in 2020, what comes next? At the least, a shattering loss should result in a wholesale purge of the Republican National Committee. Even donors who like what they got from Trump will not pour money into a losing proposition.

In the long term, sensible conservatives—who believe in limited government and the prudent, constitutional stewardship of national power and resources—might feel safe to run for national office as Republicans again. Those at the local level who were bullied into silence by their state organizations might be able to come out of hiding and challenge the people who led them to disaster.

Reconstructing the GOP—or any center-right party that might one day replace it—will take a long time, and the process will be painful. The remaining opportunists in the GOP will try to avert any kind of reform by making a last-ditch lunge to the right to fill the vacuum left by Trump’s culture warring and race-baiting. In the short term, the party might become smaller and more extreme, even as it loses seats. So be it. The hardening of the GOP into a toxic conglomeration of hucksters, quislings, racists, theocrats, and cultists is already happening. The party gladly accepted support from white supremacists and the Russian secret services, and now welcomes QAnon kooks into its caucus. Conservatives must learn that the only way out of “the wilderness” is first to vanquish those who led them there.

No person should ever get a second chance to destroy the Constitution. Trump has brought the United States to the brink of civil catastrophe, and the Republican Party has protected him from the consequences of all his immoral and illegal actions more ably than even Fred Trump did. Conservatives need to put the current Republican Party out of its—and our—misery.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/i-used-think-gop-should-be-saved/616189/

[Ex-metalman]

Well isn’t that special.I don’t need someone else’s opinions or silly columns to tell me what/how to think.That’s just me though.Trump will be remembered (after 2024) as the best prez to ever Grace America.A lot of promises kept.Actually more than any President thus far.Prolly get a Noble for the Israel peace treaty.And no telling the award for pushing this vaccination thru.PS Some other Journalist somewhere is writing the same except thing about the Lib/Dems as we speak ..Trust me

[Ex-metalman]

First day after all electoral votes cast headlines.
1)Gun reform
2)Legal prostitution
3)Legalized marijuana
Yep this new President has some morals.

[thisplacesux]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/18/general-motors-ford-wont-mandate-covid-19-vaccinations-for-employees.html

[oldhand]

Dec 16, 2020 8:15:33 GMT -5 Ex-metalman said:

First day after all electoral votes cast headlines.
1)Gun reform
2)Legal prostitution
3)Legalized marijuana
Yep this new President has some morals.

Nonsense from to bottom on a couple of levels.