News letter given out today

[axleman]

Just received the News letter from the Union concerning Ford giving the Salary people back some of the benefits they lost. Seems that International is wanting us to sign a policy grievance to "show solidarity" against Fords flagrant contract violations. It's not that I don't want back what was taken, its just I have no respect for Bob King or the rest of the leadership who tried to ram the other modification down our throats. They gave our hard earned benefits away. They should file the grievance! thats their Job! If this is truly a contract violation then why don't they take this to court and fight it. Just sounds like International blowing smoke to try to sound tough again.

[justaworker]

Jan 26, 2010 9:26:33 GMT -5 axleman said:

Just received the News letter from the Union concerning Ford giving the Salary people back some of the benefits they lost. Seems that International is wanting us to sign a policy grievance to "show solidarity" against Fords flagrant contract violations. It's not that I don't want back what was taken, its just I have no respect for Bob King or the rest of the leadership who tried to ram the other modification down our throats. They gave our hard earned benefits away. They should file the grievance! thats their Job! If this is truly a contract violation then why don't they take this to court and fight it. Just sounds like International blowing smoke to try to sound tough again.

yeah, eff them is what i say. union leadership talked us into giving away my subpay and put me on ILO.....just so ford could give salary raises and match 401K.

[Mr Happy]

You ever see a crawdad scoot backwards in the mud?...............................................

[reliefman]

I disagree with the theory that our union leaders gave away our benefits. The turmoil surronunding the time in question lead the majority of votes by US to agree to give away those benefits.
Now the guard dog is growling at the fox, lets not kick the dog.

[TonyV]

From UAWLAP.org:


Protesting Ford's flagrant contract violations!
Dear Sisters and Brothers,

Wednesday of this week we attended the National UAW Ford Council and voted
overwhelmingly to support Vice President King's recommendation to file policy
grievances in every UAW Ford and ACH bargaining unit signed by every member
protesting Ford's recent announcement to restore certain non represented salary
compensation and benefit programs. Vice President King reported that top UAW
leaders had immediately protested Ford's announcement and have held numerous
meetings expressing our strong disagreement and anger over the announcement.

We are outraged that after UAW members have sacrificed so much to keep Ford
viable that Ford would so irresponsibly violate the terms of the letters of
understanding in the 2007 UAW Ford National Collective Bargaining Agreement and
the 2009 Modifications dealing with Equality of Sacrifice and Equity of
Sacrifice.

The UAW and Ford have accomplished important goals by working together. Most
importantly through our collective bargaining efforts we have kept numerous
plants open and put major new investment and products in our plants in the
United States when other auto companies were closing multiple plants & shipping
work for countries outside of the United States. Many communities have been
saved by our members' sacrifices to keep products and investment here in the
U.S.

Also, through the great work ethic and cooperation of our UAW Ford members
working with Ford management at both the plant and national level the Quality of
Ford products has risen to best in the industry. The fact that we were able to
accomplish dramatic improvements in quality at the same time we were going
through tremendous churning of the workforce due to retirements and buyouts is
unprecedented in any industry and a huge tribute to UAW Ford hourly members who
accomplished this in their day to day work.

We cannot allow Ford to make the huge mistake of undermining the morale of the
most important players in their path to recovery. Alan Mulally has led this
recovery under the theme of One Ford, One Team, One Goal. It is a flagrant
violation of the language and principles of our UAW Ford Contract and ill
advised in the midst of this recovery to restore compensation and benefit
programs for one group without equitable restoration to all.

We are asking every member to stand in solidarity and sign the policy grievance
protesting Ford's flagrant contract violations!

In Solidarity,

Steven M Stone Rocky Comito

UAW Plant Chair UAW President

Link to the post:
uawlap.org/building-chairpersons-....-violations.php

Link to UAWLAP.org: uawlap.org

[axleman]

I understand what your saying Reliefman, and I don't necessarily disagree with you. We made a decision based on the information we had at that time. I guess my gripe is that the same bunch who wanted us to give more away, and where overwhelmingly voted down, are now trying to act surprised that the company did this. If this is a contract violation do something about it! Do we not have Union paid lawyers to handle these sort of things?

[ackspac]

All the money Ford saved by screwing us with TAP, how else do you think they could afford to give the whitecollars a raise.

[lapjohn]

This has woke up the sleeping dog. This is such a joke. They are the one's who wanted us to vote yes for the modifications. This is just another form of brainwashing. Don't think for one minute they didn't know what was going to happen after the vote. Remember, the earning report that just happen to come out after the vote. Maniputation is a word that comes too mind. I used to have to deal with management manipulating me and know the international uses the same methods. They shouldn't say they are elected to serve, but are elected to self-serve. We have turned into a union of the "me" generation. What can I do to move up? If I back this person maybe I will get a appointment? This makes me SICK. Wake up people very few are looking out for you. They are too busy worried about themselves. It is time for a change. We need people too get out of the bed of the company and do the job they were elected too do. Bob King is nothing more than a Ford Motor Company Puppet.

[lapjohn]

Another thing, what is a policy grevience? Where in the contract does it say the company can't give management raises? Where does it say they can't lie to us? They have been telling me lies for 17 years. No merit. Just a smoke screen.

[axleman]

I guess a "policy grievance" is a grievance that Bob King and IUAW can't or won't do anything about! Just more politics and union BS! I would respect them more if they would just admit they made a mistake and try to do something about it. Yes the company lied, SURPRISED? Don't feed us this company lied BS again. We know they lie. You made a mistake Bob King man up and resign.

[elmer]

This is the IUAW attempt rehabilitate Bob king’s image so he can be appointed president.

[ktpelec]

We would not even have half of the benefits and wages we do if it wasn't for people like Bob King who have spent thier entire careers working for the people of the UAW.
Do you get mad when one of your neighbors gets a raise? Why worry about what Ford does with salary workers. If you want to be mad at someone pick a guy out on the street driving a Nissan.

[Mr Happy]

Jan 26, 2010 16:59:55 GMT -5 elmer said:

This is the IUAW attempt rehabilitate Bob king’s image so he can be appointed president.

bingo we have a winner!

[Mr Happy]

Bob King

[beenaround]

On the subject of "equity of sacrifice" did IUAW members sacrifice when they were able to keep their cola and pay raises intact? What Sacrifice did they give?

[lapjohn]

KTPelect you are about the only person that I have heard back Mr. King. Is he your brother-inlaw or what? He is the main reason that the ball started rolling. I think you need to look at the facts and then If you still want to back him fine. His old plant is the one that started the process of contracting out go jobs and such. Bob King is a piece of dog chit that has no support of the rank and file members. He is nothing but a polition and not a very good one at that. If I ever come to visit KTP I will not have too ask where you are, I will look for the first person swinging from a supervisors nuts.

[justaworker]

Jan 27, 2010 7:21:02 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

We would not even have half of the benefits and wages we do if it wasn't for people like Bob King who have spent thier entire careers working for the people of the UAW.
Do you get mad when one of your neighbors gets a raise? Why worry about what Ford does with salary workers. If you want to be mad at someone pick a guy out on the street driving a Nissan.

well, did my neighbor convince me that our employer was so bad off that i should give up my benefits. did giving up those benefits up cost me my job and my income? did my neighbor keep those benefits and his job? and in the end, was it all a lie and our employer then took the money saved by screwing us and give it back to salary employees.

if bob king were my neighbor, i may not go next door and kick him in the balls (or i may)....but you can damn well be sure my dog would be shitting in his yard everyday.

[ktpelec]

Hello lapjohn, sorry you feel that way.
The language you use in your posts leads me to believe you don't have much education and have a hard time discussing anything without be childish and vulgar. So let me explain it this way, on your level, you should be familiar with peoples nuts, your always licking mine.

[axleman]

Jan 27, 2010 7:21:02 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

We would not even have half of the benefits and wages we do if it wasn't for people like Bob King who have spent thier entire careers working for the people of the UAW.
Do you get mad when one of your neighbors gets a raise? Why worry about what Ford does with salary workers. If you want to be mad at someone pick a guy out on the street driving a Nissan.

Yes it took many IUAW leaders years to get those wonderful benefits we enjoyed. It took Bob King and others ONE modification contract to LOSE, and would have lost more if the real UAW (rank and file) members had followed their lead. Now IUAW has brought this mess up about the company restoring benefits. They brought it up not the membership!! I don't care who gets a raise or who doesn't. don't care who drives a foreign car. I do care about the direction our APPOINTED next President will take this union.

[lapjohn]

ktpelectric your G.A.D. is nothing to be bragging about. If you are happy with giving up everything that the members that proceeded us work for that is up to you. Like I said, "you are the only person that has said, 'We have what we got because of people like Bob King." Bob King sold us old. PERIOD! You want to bring up education? I would be happy to compare my education with yours. If you have a doctorate you have me beat. So keep swinging brother. I know you know no other way

[ScottR@KTP]

Can't we all just get along?

[axleman]

Jan 27, 2010 14:36:06 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Can't we all just get along?

No way! This is way to much FUN!!LOL

[ktpelec]

Jan 27, 2010 14:23:51 GMT -5 lapjohn said:

ktpelectric your G.A.D. is nothing to be bragging about. If you are happy with giving up everything that the members that proceeded us work for that is up to you. Like I said, "you are the only person that has said, 'We have what we got because of people like Bob King." Bob King sold us old. PERIOD! You want to bring up education? I would be happy to compare my education with yours. If you have a doctorate you have me beat. So keep swinging brother. I know you know no other way

I am sorry to have posted the vulgar comment I did. Why can't you say, "I don't agree because..." Why start making homosexual references?? Is that the way adults with education talk about thier differences?
Bob king sold us OLD?? Bob king started at FoMoCo in 1970, a lot of people working here now weren't even born yet. Can you even imagine how hard the assembly process was then? He went to night school while working to get a law degree. He sacrificed a lot of his personal time to get these benefits that we have now. Sure, I didn't agree with giving anything back and I voted NO, and the UAW allowed me to be able to vote on those types of issues. Bob King didn't run out and buy all those foreign cars like the millions of our neighbors and relatives did. I don't agree with everything the UAW does, but I know they represent a lot more people than just me, and I am very thankful for everything our past leaders have attained for us.

[ackspac]

Bob King is a "dirty" piece of dog shit!

[ScottR@KTP]

Is a clean piece of dog shit any better...honestly? LOL

[ktpelec]

Jan 27, 2010 14:12:14 GMT -5 axleman said:

Jan 27, 2010 7:21:02 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

We would not even have half of the benefits and wages we do if it wasn't for people like Bob King who have spent thier entire careers working for the people of the UAW.
Do you get mad when one of your neighbors gets a raise? Why worry about what Ford does with salary workers. If you want to be mad at someone pick a guy out on the street driving a Nissan.

Yes it took many IUAW leaders years to get those wonderful benefits we enjoyed. It took Bob King and others ONE modification contract to LOSE, and would have lost more if the real UAW (rank and file) members had followed their lead. Now IUAW has brought this mess up about the company restoring benefits. They brought it up not the membership!! I don't care who gets a raise or who doesn't. don't care who drives a foreign car. I do care about the direction our APPOINTED next President will take this union.

I don't think the next UAW president will have much choice in the direction he leads our membership. With Union membership in this counrty just 12% of the work force, the lowest number in history, the rest of America will have a much greater say in the direction the UAW heads. A Union president can't make people go out and buy American made products, and if they don't buy our products he can't save your job.

[ackspac]

Jan 27, 2010 15:41:02 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Is a clean piece of dog shit any better...honestly? LOL

Wouldnt that be under the political forum?

[ScottR@KTP]

Jan 27, 2010 16:17:18 GMT -5 ackspac said:

Jan 27, 2010 15:41:02 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Is a clean piece of dog shit any better...honestly? LOL

Wouldnt that be under the political forum?

Exactly...

[Mr Happy]

[joeb]

i have not logged in for a while but i couldn't help it when i saw what ktpelectric wrote. i really want to respect what people think but he sounds more like management every time he posts. does anybody know this person and is he a supervisor, supt., or the plant manager of any ford plant. just wondering