Explorer Transfer of Operations to Chicago

[TonyV]

Starting at 9:30 am this morning, Ford started notifying all LAP employees about
Explorer Transfer of Operations to Chicago Assembly Plant Transfer Opportunity
Posting.
The following voluntary transfer opportunity is available to eligible nonskilled
hourly employees for three (3) working days until Tuesday, February 16, 2010.
Eligible and interested employees must sign up NO LATER THAN 5:00 p.m. on the
above date.

A decision to transfer to the Chicago Assembly Plant is irrevocable.

Transfers from Louisville Assembly Plant (LAP) to Chicago Assembly Plant (CAP)
will commence sometime prior to the planned June, 2010 capacity increase at
Chicago Assembly Plant.

Employees will not be eligible for Article VIII, Section 1(b) Return to Basic
Unit or for Appendix O – Return Home provisions.

Questions regarding the available job opportunities should be directed to the
LAP Labor Relations Office.

Full Bulletin at: uawlap.org

[TonyV]

Explorer Transfer of Operations to Chicago Assembly Plant Transfer Opportunity Posting
February 10th, 2010 by sstone Print This Post

Vehicle Operations: SPECIAL BULLETIN


Explorer Transfer of Operations to Chicago Assembly Plant Transfer Opportunity Posting (Nonskilled)

The following voluntary transfer opportunity is available to eligible nonskilled hourly employees for three (3) working days until Tuesday, February 16, 2010. Eligible employees include up to 180 nonskilled employees working on Explorer Operations at the Louisville Assembly Plant. Eligible and interested employees must sign up NO LATER THAN 5:00 p.m. on the above date. Employees out of the plant/facility for any reason are responsible for making sure their name is on the list for the available opportunity. EMPLOYEES NOT ON THE LIST BY THE DEADLINE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR THE AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY.

A decision to transfer to the Chicago Assembly Plant is irrevocable. Once an eligible employee signs up, it is expected that the employee will transfer. The number of transfer opportunities will be limited by operating requirements. A total of 180 opportunities of nonskilled jobs are available for the Transfer of Operation to Chicago Assembly Plant.
Eligible employees will be considered in seniority order. Employees must be available on the assignment effective date. Transfers from Louisville Assembly Plant (LAP) to Chicago Assembly Plant (CAP) will commence sometime prior to the planned June, 2010 capacity increase at Chicago Assembly Plant.
This process has complex administrative implications. Accordingly, claims of violation are not subject to the Grievance Procedure (Article VII of the Collective Bargaining Agreement).
Employees will not be eligible for Article VIII, Section 1(b) Return to Basic Unit or for Appendix O – Return Home provisions.
Employees who are selected may choose basic or enhanced relocation pursuant to Article IX, Section 28. Employees who select Enhanced Relocation will not be eligible to initiate another in zone or out of zone transfer as an active employee for a period of thirty-six (36) months from the date of transfer to Chicago Assembly Plant unless the employee’s status changes to indefinitely laid off.
Employees who select Basic Relocation will not be eligible to initiate another in zone or out of zone transfer as an active employee for a period of six (6) months from the date of transfer to Chicago Assembly Plant unless the employee’s status changes to indefinitely laid off.
Present seniority of employees will transfer to the new plant consistent with Article VIII, Section 24(b) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Questions regarding the available job opportunities should be directed to the LAP Labor Relations Office.

02/09/10

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[PUNISHER]

irrevocable....enough said

[lucero]

Here is the problem I have with the posting, it says that if you "transfer with operations" that you cant use RTBU rights, then its says that if selected you cant transfer for 6 months in or out of zone(if you take the basic package) or 36 months (if you take the enhanced package). Steve Stone said no recall rights, But the way I read this, if you take the basic package you can put in for a transfer anytime after your six months are up. I just need some clarification.

[justaworker]

Feb 11, 2010 13:51:57 GMT -5 lucero said:

Here is the problem I have with the posting, it says that if you "transfer with operations" that you cant use RTBU rights, then its says that if selected you cant transfer for 6 months in or out of zone(if you take the basic package) or 36 months (if you take the enhanced package). Steve Stone said no recall rights, But the way I read this, if you take the basic package you can put in for a transfer anytime after your six months are up. I just need some clarification.

if you go and make CAP your home plant, you will have to wait either 6 or 36 months until you can put in for a transfer anywhere. when CAP needs 1200 people, even working employees can sign up to transfer up there.

[lucero]

Just talked to Jan, Yes I lose RTBU rights, but if there is openings at LAP I can post for them(after alloted time 6 or 36 months). I am just saying that the way they said it at the meeting was that there was no way you can come back. I HATE the cold north but 1 in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

[trinitus]

From what I gather, once you sign up to follow your product or sign up to go later after the people who sign up to follow their product CAN NOT back out of it.

If you sign up to follow your product then what I understand is you WILL NOT HAVE ANY RECALL RIGHTS.

If you sign up to go later then you keep your recall rights if you take the basic moving allowance. This way you CAN sign up to come back after six months unless you get laid-off prior to the six month rule then you can sign up sooner.

If you take the enhanced package, then you CAN NOT sign up fo 36 months (3 years) unless you get laid-off before that time frain expires.

My advice is wait until the people who signs up to follow te product ends then sign up to go if you want to keep your recall rights. Then only sign up for the basic moving package so you can come back after the six month wait.

Now sure has the Sun will rise someone on here will not understand this, the only thing I can say to that is either ask your Building Chair or complain more on here because no matter what your told you will not understand and if you make the wrong decision you will be back on here blaming the UAW for your mistake.

[lucero]

I called up to local 551 yesterday and talked to a rep and told him what our local was telling us and he laughed. He said unless we had it writing about a second call or the supposed 30k return money dont believe it. He also said that they only had about 100 people with 2000 seniority and that all the bid jobs would be filled before we got there. I am just tired of the half truths bieng told to us. You may just see me up at labor monday signing up!

[utrimsucks]

i work at ktp but i have seen alot. The union is only looking out for their people. They are going to fill all the bid jobs before any outsiders go there. We did that at ktp before people from lap came. I transfered from wixom, when i cam down they told me i would get to come back in a year. 3 years later i was offered to go back, but the plant was colosing in a few months. They are not going to pay u to move back to louisville. The union is going to butter u up to the whole moving thing but at the end of the day u have to look out for #1. I moved here not for the money belive me 20 grand is not worth starting a life over. Sometimes it sucks living away from family but other times it is cool. don't count on coming back. Ill be joing u up there when i am bumped out of a job. Who is to say lap is even going to reopen. The union and company are going to feed u all types of bull shit the keep the people happy. Just wait till everyone is on ilo at lap and they decide to scrap the retool because they have decided to close the plant because there is no product and they can because u are already on the streets. well see what happens. the writing is on the walls

[ScottR@KTP]

Great post utrimsucks...the people need as much advice as possible right now.
And Lucero...job well done by calling up north to find out what they know.

[ScottR@KTP]

The end result could be to hire as many new hires as possible...how do you do that...get your workers to transfer out of zone. This could be a joint effort by union and management to make their plant as profitable as they can by getting in the new wage workers.

[lucero]

Thats exactly what their rep told me. That ford does not want any of us to transfer. so I dont expect to recieve a supposed second phone call in mid march.

[trinitus]

ScottR could very well be hitting the nail on the head here. Think about this, there is sopposed to be 1200 openings. Ford has a little less than 500 on lay-off. Only 180 can sign up to go to CAP when the product goes up there. LAP has 267 on lay-off, Numbers are not matching up.

Now is Indianapolis in CAP's zone or not? A lot of talk but no answer's to the question's that need to asked or that has been asked. Life making decision's are going to be made and all involved here need the correct information in order to make those decision's. I would hate to see someone make a decision only to find out later that the decision was wrong.

Moving out of zone is no easy task, think of all that is involved. If I had to make a decision like that, bet your ass I would be burning up the phone lines to all my union reps to get the right answer's.

[lucero]

I have decided that after 9 years at Ford that if the company doesnt want yo to do something and the union doesnt want you to do something, then it is probably in your best interest to do that something. I will be at labor Monday signing up. Good working with you all, but I am gonna roll the dice.

[ScottR@KTP]

I am glad you have come to a decision. You pretty much described the way I have always felt. If they don't want you to do it...do it. It's probably the best option.

[lucero]

Thanks Scott, even though we haven't met in person, I do know who you are from LAP. I am gonna miss everyone.. except maybe John Heil and a few others, but for the most part I have had some really fair supervisors and worked with some great people. I am one of the few who truly love my job and look forward to work each day. I always said that I have done a lot shittier jobs for a lot less money.

[ScottR@KTP]

Best of luck...with your attitude, you will be fine at any plant.

[maverick]

Feb 12, 2010 14:26:00 GMT -5 trinitus said:

ScottR could very well be hitting the nail on the head here. Think about this, there is sopposed to be 1200 openings. Ford has a little less than 500 on lay-off. Only 180 can sign up to go to CAP when the product goes up there. LAP has 267 on lay-off, Numbers are not matching up.

Now is Indianapolis in CAP's zone or not? A lot of talk but no answer's to the question's that need to asked or that has been asked. Life making decision's are going to be made and all involved here need the correct information in order to make those decision's. I would hate to see someone make a decision only to find out later that the decision was wrong.

Moving out of zone is no easy task, think of all that is involved. If I had to make a decision like that, bet your ass I would be burning up the phone lines to all my union reps to get the right answer's.

Indy is not in CAP's zone....Indy is in a zone all by itself.

[dozerman]

Feb 12, 2010 14:26:00 GMT -5 trinitus said:

ScottR could very well be hitting the nail on the head here. Think about this, there is sopposed to be 1200 openings. Ford has a little less than 500 on lay-off. Only 180 can sign up to go to CAP when the product goes up there. LAP has 267 on lay-off, Numbers are not matching up.

Now is Indianapolis in CAP's zone or not? A lot of talk but no answer's to the question's that need to asked or that has been asked. Life making decision's are going to be made and all involved here need the correct information in order to make those decision's. I would hate to see someone make a decision only to find out later that the decision was wrong.

Moving out of zone is no easy task, think of all that is involved. If I had to make a decision like that, bet your ass I would be burning up the phone lines to all my union reps to get the right answer's.

[dozerman]

lap and ktp in zone 7, indy in zone 28 and chicago assembly, stamping and hvc will be zone 5.
what all this comes down to is that if you are ilo and want a guaranteed job with ford, go to chicago or roll the dice and wait for lap retool. chciago is the cloest plant louisville will probally ever see and really not that far from louisville (about 375 miles). it sure could be a lot worse ,my sister had to go to kcap at 590 miles. look how far norfok and alanta had to go. good luck to all.

[dozerman]

sorry, that would be 280 miles not 375 to 12600 south torrence ave. chicago, il 60633 (cap) by mapquest

[justaworker]

Feb 13, 2010 15:35:15 GMT -5 lucero said:

I have decided that after 9 years at Ford that if the company doesnt want yo to do something and the union doesnt want you to do something, then it is probably in your best interest to do that something. I will be at labor Monday signing up. Good working with you all, but I am gonna roll the dice.

i would never try to talk you out of that. just make sure you have all the info you need before signing up. i would encourage you to meet with steve stone personally and get the facts as they stand now.

good luck either way.

[lucero]

Feb 14, 2010 10:42:33 GMT -5 justaworker said:

Feb 13, 2010 15:35:15 GMT -5 lucero said:

I have decided that after 9 years at Ford that if the company doesnt want yo to do something and the union doesnt want you to do something, then it is probably in your best interest to do that something. I will be at labor Monday signing up. Good working with you all, but I am gonna roll the dice.

i would never try to talk you out of that. just make sure you have all the info you need before signing up. i would encourage you to meet with steve stone personally and get the facts as they stand now.

good luck either way.

Tried that, cant get a straight answer. Thats what I meant in an earlier post about the half truths. All I know is that a second shift wont happen until late 2012. thats almost 3 years away. I might as well go up there now while i have an offer instead of waiting for a possible second call.

[maverick]

Feb 14, 2010 12:38:31 GMT -5 lucero said:

Feb 14, 2010 10:42:33 GMT -5 justaworker said:

i would never try to talk you out of that. just make sure you have all the info you need before signing up. i would encourage you to meet with steve stone personally and get the facts as they stand now.

good luck either way.

Tried that, cant get a straight answer. Thats what I meant in an earlier post about the half truths. All I know is that a second shift wont happen until late 2012. thats almost 3 years away. I might as well go up there now while i have an offer instead of waiting for a possible second call.

The 2nd shift wont happen until late 2012? Do you have anymore info on this? Hard to believe, who told you this? I thought LAP wanted 2 shifts up and running in the fall of 2011??

[justaworker]

Feb 14, 2010 12:38:31 GMT -5 lucero said:

Feb 14, 2010 10:42:33 GMT -5 justaworker said:

i would never try to talk you out of that. just make sure you have all the info you need before signing up. i would encourage you to meet with steve stone personally and get the facts as they stand now.

good luck either way.

Tried that, cant get a straight answer. Thats what I meant in an earlier post about the half truths. All I know is that a second shift wont happen until late 2012. thats almost 3 years away. I might as well go up there now while i have an offer instead of waiting for a possible second call.

so steve told you second shift in late 2012??? at the union meeting he said two shifts up and running in sept/oct. 2011.

[elmer]

According to Ford's Marcy Evans LAP will bring back the 1st shift in Oct 2011 and the 2nd shift will start in 3rd or 4th quarter of 2012.

She said this a few month ago, now things might have changed by now but at that time that's the dates Ford was stating.

[sstone10]

From the weekly update:
Online Correction to Chairman Article: TENTATIVELY!!! The plan is for 2 shifts of production beginning in the 4th quarter of 2011.

[lucero]

Until I get something written in stone with blood that we will be called back late 2011, I wont believe it.

[maverick]

Feb 14, 2010 19:53:17 GMT -5 lucero said:

Until I get something written in stone with blood that we will be called back late 2011, I wont believe it.

And even then I would still have a little doubt.....

[ScottR@KTP]

Hey lucero...check your inbox...sent you a message.