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Post by bogeybush on Oct 22, 2010 19:09:18 GMT -5
Are they going to bid ALL of the jobs before we go back? I didn't mind it at all when they did it here because this is thier plant. But I didn't think they would do that to us when we go back home.
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Post by brenteskridge on Oct 22, 2010 19:23:38 GMT -5
LAP is going to bid the jobs out to those that are on roll at LAP. You are not on rolls so they are not going to let you bid on those jobs while your at KTP. They are not doing you wrong, they are not trying to be sneaky about this so I am just throwing that out there so you know this. If KTP had bids up right now, and lets say we had 50 coming from LAP to KTP, then you would have the right to bid before those coming from LAP. You made the choice to come to KTP and when the time comes again, you will either stay or go back to LAP. I hope you stay because I have made some good friends since you all have come to KTP. I hope this clarifies the issue for you. You may not like it but it is the truth on this issue.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 22, 2010 20:14:01 GMT -5
LAP is bidding jobs for the #2 and #3 shifts prior to our return...we will have a shot at bids for the #1 shift after we return...should they ever add that shift. We jumped shift, this is the right way to handle the bids.
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Post by bogeybush on Oct 23, 2010 7:38:54 GMT -5
If LAP is only running one shift right now, how can you say it is right to fill bids for two? You mention that we'll be able to bid for the number one shift which currently does not exist, well niether does the number two shift but they are bidding jobs for it? I can see this from both sides. I've been at ford for 22 years so I have seen pretty much everything. When my new Atlanta friends came to LAP a few years ago, I don't recall filling any possible bids before they got there. It was at the time we were replacing the people who were taking the buy-outs so there were plenty of good jobs that were going to need to be filled. I do not remember the company or union trying to make sure the people at LAP who may have wanted to bid on a better job could do so before the ATL people got there.
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Post by elmer on Oct 23, 2010 8:31:44 GMT -5
Wow so you want to bid on job at Lap without being laid-off and keep working a KTP until it reopens?
I would like to be back at LAP to but just like every other plant they will bid all open jobs before transfer arrive, and if they didn't do it like that LAP 862 officials would be lynched because that's how every plant has done it the past.
like it or not your not getting laid-off and this thing could still change who knows what Ford will do with LAP in the future.. Ford plans always seem to change.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Oct 23, 2010 12:57:55 GMT -5
Hey Bogey you think u should be able to bid on a job at lap while u r still employed at ktp? Are you willing to be layed off for 8mths or longer? They r bidding both shifts because when we return both shifts are coming back on 1 shift for a wk or 2 to learn the jobs, then they will b running 2 shifts......so obviously they need both shifts!!!!
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Post by bogeybush on Oct 23, 2010 13:55:29 GMT -5
of course I don't think I should be able to bid on an LAP job while I am here at KTP. I just don't see why there will be no bid jobs available when I go back. elmer and itsnotmyjob, you can shove your high horses straight up your asses. They don't have two shiifts right now so OBVIOUSLY they don't need to bid two shifts worth of jobs.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Oct 23, 2010 14:05:41 GMT -5
No we don't have 2 shifts right now but they are bidding them so they can be filled and up and running instead of putting ppl here and ppl there minimizes movin ppl around and I;m not on my high horse Barry Bush I'm just telling you the ones who stayed and will be laid off should get the bid jobs I understand your situation better then u think why u had to go to KTP some had to because they had kids or whatever but some think they are going to get the same jobs back that they left lap and they wouldn't be right now would it.......mayb you need to find out for sure before you start popping off and calling names i meant no harm at all!!!!!! I was just repling to your post....and asking questions in general........U would be saying the same darn thing if you were still at LAP as would I if I was at KTP but istayed and will ride it out and you didn't
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Post by bogeybush on Oct 23, 2010 14:12:06 GMT -5
You respond like a normal person and quit hiding behind your screen name. It's easy to be a smart ass when no one knows who you are. as for why I left, none of your &*^% business. I don't expect to get my old job back. If I wanted to do that, I would have stayed. I just don't want to have somebody with five years or whatever driving my stock to me while I'm on the line in trim.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on Oct 23, 2010 14:44:15 GMT -5
Like i said i meant no harm so if u want to call me a smart ass then fine but im sorry if u r mad but some not all, ppl who went to ktp think they can come back to the jobs they had and that isn't true....ill b glad to see all of you come back to lap I was just lucky i didnt have to but if i had younger kids or was single i would have also i read the threads from ktp and some of the threads are scarey!!!!!! ! but i am sorry if you got pissed off but like i said b4 i meant no harm!!! I dont blame u for leaving.....and i hope you dont go to trim mayb a gravy job on ip line or door line u were a great linefeeder but there will b some good jobs on line i hope they come with 1st shift give me 11-7 or 12-8 only way i will get one of the so called good jobs 18 yrs isnt enough to hold day shift on some of the better good jobs if that is what u want to call them!!!
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Post by badcat555 on Oct 23, 2010 17:55:25 GMT -5
bogeybush, I am totally with you. The way I see it, only the people that really needed a job or wanted to work came to KTP. Some of us came with quite a bit of senority. We saved a lot of people at LAP from getting rolled to crappy jobs at KTP or laid off and sent to Chigago. And for that, KTP took care of their people by bidding out all the Exp/Nav jobs before we came. And now LAP is going to bid out all the jobs before we are asked to come back. Even though Steve Stone told me 6 months ago in an email that only the Launch jobs would be bid before our return, THAT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A BOLD FACE LIE! I guess the pressure on the Union from all that stayed was enoug to change his mind. So yes we are taking a skewing again. KTP didn't want us and now our own plant doesn't want us back. Just remember we will remember that come election time!
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Post by bogeybush on Oct 23, 2010 18:24:35 GMT -5
badcat, I will land on my feet...I always do. I am sure that you will too. I am definitely going back regardless of what is waiting for me. I will get a bid job eventually and roll someone on days when I can. itsmyjob, when you tell someone to get the facts before they (me) start popping off, maybe you should consider that the facts are what I came here looking for in the first place. Peace.
FREE ENES
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Post by ragtop69 on Oct 23, 2010 23:32:52 GMT -5
Went to KTP, changed shifts, changed teams, rolled on C crew or shift 1 for start time (which really puts some ktp peoples panties in a wad) , changed jobs to a better one when it came open on my team, hopefully will be working steady every week next year..........did all of this because I put in the time to get the senority and use it to my advantage. Only had one supervisor try to write me up, he had a picture on his phone to "prove it", used his own picture against him to CALMLY prove he was LYING, took great satisfaction in doing it too. Not really sure of my point but I made the decision to come over here and I had my own reasons and I have chose to stay. I hope all goes well for my friends at LAP but I am here because I didn't want to take the risk of staying. I don't balme anyone for believing what's in store for the future just remember Ford's best tool to keep us where they want is fear and rumors. Ok I'm done.............
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Post by Grimace on Oct 24, 2010 0:33:55 GMT -5
BogeyBush! I know that guy! I clearly see your point of view but can you also see the point of view of L.A.P. trying to plan for the launch? What day have they officially told you that you'll be free to return?I'm out of the loop now, but since they probably don't know when you'll actually be released from KTP either, it would be a shit hitting the fan storm while we covered all the KTPers bid jobs until you were. On the high side, when they do begin the 3rd shift as I think they will do it right after the line start, I'd like to think you guys would all be home by then and be available to bid, and then roll to your preferred shift. As far as the comment by the other person about saving anyone by transferring to KTP, it wouldn't have mattered, the same bunch would have been able to, or forced to go to Chicago. Many people at L.A.P. had decent jobs already, and didn't want to lose their classifications.
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Post by marcus on Oct 24, 2010 1:47:12 GMT -5
I went to KTP because I dont trust them to keep LAP open.THey lie all the time.
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Post by PUNISHER on Oct 24, 2010 17:15:52 GMT -5
well, can someone tell me how LAP will be running 2 shifts after retool?....they are at 1 shift now...they need alot more people than those that are laid off to run a 2nd shift..i went and visited LAP friday and from what people on the line and couple supervisors told me is that they will have to survey and get those of us that went to KTP back so they will have enough after retool, probably sometime around july....but stone said that rtbu people won't be back until sept or oct....and he did say that there would be bids available for us to bid on on all shifts..??
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Post by elmer on Oct 24, 2010 18:02:07 GMT -5
They way Chicago is doing it they start out with one shift, then 1st and 2nd start working together until 2nd shift starts up.
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Post by keithf on Oct 24, 2010 20:27:36 GMT -5
They way Chicago is doing it they start out with one shift, then 1st and 2nd start working together until 2nd shift starts up. not quite true, and totally different scenario. CAP was never down, just one shift working for 2 years. the second shift begins on 10/25 (originally scheduled for 11/1), but employees began coming in in june to get that shift started.
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Post by lap65 on Oct 24, 2010 23:00:09 GMT -5
I was told that all rolling & bumping would be frozen for 1 year after the launch date.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 25, 2010 8:21:06 GMT -5
For the record BadCAT this KTPer is glad to have you. We needed you to run and I'm glad you guys came, and hope you decide to stay. Yes we bid the jobs prior to you guys coming, but most from LAP with seniority have landed in good spots and on great jobs since their arrival.
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Post by gensto on Oct 25, 2010 15:16:01 GMT -5
From what I understand, not everyone will be coming back to work at the same time. They will be calling each dept back at different times with Final being last. So that might be a reason people are hearing different return dates/months.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2010 15:26:49 GMT -5
From what I understand, not everyone will be coming back to work at the same time. They will be calling each dept back at different times with Final being last. So that might be a reason people are hearing different return dates/months. Thats what I over heard today. They have to find replacements for those coming back to LAP first. And it might take longer in some cases to come back.
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Post by PUNISHER on Oct 25, 2010 18:51:58 GMT -5
no good bid job in 19 months since coming to ktp with 18 + yrs..
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Post by gensto on Oct 26, 2010 13:46:50 GMT -5
You guys have to remember when/if a 1st shift is added, most if not all the jobs in the plant will be up for bid yet again... True it is way down the road if at all, but having a chance to bid on any/all the jobs in the plant is a nice opportunity which you would never see again.
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Post by pmooret on Oct 26, 2010 18:21:15 GMT -5
Will LAP be working three 8 hr shifts back to back or will it be an A,B,C crew with weekend work? I work there and don't even know myself.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 26, 2010 20:11:53 GMT -5
3 shifts/5 days a week...M-F
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Post by plantworker2019 on Sept 27, 2019 11:26:45 GMT -5
Hope it all works out
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Post by ktpregular on Sept 27, 2019 12:23:13 GMT -5
Stupid bored F—-er keeps posting old crap from 2010. Get a life a—hole
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Post by saugerman on Sept 27, 2019 14:40:14 GMT -5
Stupid bored F—-er keeps posting old crap from 2010. Get a life a—hole Totally retarded
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Post by plantworker2019 on Sept 28, 2019 3:52:10 GMT -5
Stupid bored F—-er keeps posting old crap from 2010. Get a life a—hole Sorry thought this was recent Why so mean Are you that unhappy
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