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Post by kessinger on Dec 16, 2010 17:52:36 GMT -5
Ford invoked their right to have a mandatory production Sat. this Saturday. B-crew was the low houred OT crew so contractualy they will be the crew to work. Managment will ask for volunteers from dayshift to cover those that wish not to work, though it is still a mandatory day if they can't get enough to work.
******I stated the part on coverage incorrectly they have to be able to cover the team. Sorry about that.
******I removed the part about body and paint days********
The Saturday is due to production loses this week.
Note** The last mandatory Saturday we had we had a bunch of people posted on here that it was bullshift they didn't bring in the extra people, meaning everyone didn't get to work. "Mandatory means everyone is Mandatory!!!!!!" was what was posted. Now I will get ripped because people don't want to work.
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Post by TonyV on Dec 16, 2010 18:15:54 GMT -5
Thank you sir for the heads up!
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Post by 30yearpace on Dec 16, 2010 18:22:06 GMT -5
Sooo C-crew body doesnt have to work this saturday?
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Post by thintwowin on Dec 16, 2010 18:31:45 GMT -5
That's the way I read it
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Post by ctopher on Dec 16, 2010 18:41:15 GMT -5
Well this pretty much guaranteed we won't see union people rest of week. So there is not a certain amount of notice they have to give you before a Saturday?
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Post by kessinger on Dec 16, 2010 19:01:36 GMT -5
They have to tell you before you go home Friday.
You will see your union people, though it is hard to get through an area when so many people are angry about an issue.
I just got a call, so i apoligise for this they are not working #2 bodya nd paint they had planned to but don't think they will need it.
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Post by brizzel on Dec 16, 2010 19:14:48 GMT -5
cha ching!!
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Post by bryano on Dec 16, 2010 20:41:43 GMT -5
That is nuts that they are allowed to add a Saturday on at the last minute like that. That needs to be addressed in the next local contract. They shouldn't be able to screw with you like that. I had never heard of that before coming to KTP.
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Post by thintwowin on Dec 16, 2010 20:47:57 GMT -5
Welcome to "They can do that" .
Must be from lap.
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Post by TonyV on Dec 16, 2010 20:53:35 GMT -5
LAP's Local contract is the same as far as the latest time they can inform the union of a production Saturday.(Thursday)
The only difference I have noticed is the OT equalization application.(Both shifts would have worked at LAP in this instance) I am surprised that both shifts are not working, actually.
Again, thanks Mr. Kessinger for using this board and other means of communication to get the word out to the membership.
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Post by thintwowin on Dec 16, 2010 21:50:05 GMT -5
Is it Thursday(lap) or Friday(ktp) ?
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Post by cheddersmojo on Dec 16, 2010 22:07:12 GMT -5
its pretty sad that they can throw this saturday on us like that. people have plans with their families. sure they can do that, but its a pity nobody stands up to management!
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Post by kessinger on Dec 16, 2010 22:27:25 GMT -5
I always love the easy out "no one stands up to managment" thing. The fact is we work under a contract. The contract allows them to work us 6 mandatory Saturdays a year. The contract also allows them to do so on short notice.
They are not ignorant, they know the contract allows this and they know they can make $10,000 a minute if they work Saturday. No one is going to "stand up" and convince them they don't want to make $10,000 a minute.
I agree that we need language on more notice. But, it has never realy been an issue til now. We have ZERO contract proposals suggesting this change, you could have put one in this time or any contract before. I will add one for us now.
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Post by JoePieper on Dec 16, 2010 23:15:36 GMT -5
I don't much care for the short notice. But at the same time I can use the extra money so I am not going to complain. I agree the notice should be longer but in my 12 years at KTP this is the FIRST time that I can remember getting mandated for a saturday with such short notice. This is a rarity and you can thank the weather for it. That's why we have been short on parts because they couldn't get them down here from up north.
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Post by gocats17 on Dec 16, 2010 23:31:05 GMT -5
i dont understand how b crew can be lower on overtime equalization. i thought we got 1.5 on ot equal for our %5 shift premium.
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Post by cheddersmojo on Dec 16, 2010 23:54:57 GMT -5
good question! nightshift has been higher on equalization for years.
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Post by kessinger on Dec 17, 2010 1:04:26 GMT -5
Your shift premium DOES NOT factor into OTE. Also we on zero out the OT hours once per contract right after it is ratified, so the hours are from three years running. If the hours were just for the last 3 months, B-crew has worked more, over that time period. But on the three year run we are lower, as averaged by departments in the final area.
I know B crew feels they have had to pull OT for A-crews go homes, but we can't ignore the contract and just do something different because of the mood of the plant.
If this was 6 months ago and not this weekend people would be angry as hell if dayshift got the chance to work and B-crew didn't, even though they were lower on OTE.
So I understand the aggrivation over the short notice. I will try to get a fix in next contract if I get that oppertunity. But, we still had to follow the contract on how it was decided who would work. Probably not this weekend , but normaly more people want the OT than don't.
The OTE sheets are online. Teamleaders have access to them, and can show you where online they are. You can check back over the years they archive them there.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 17, 2010 1:07:41 GMT -5
View this as your Christmas bonus...you just have to work to get it.  |
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Post by richatktp1 on Dec 17, 2010 3:04:34 GMT -5
On this one, Fuck Ford! AWOL everyone! Saturday before Christmas. Most of us have parties or family get togethers to attend. Less than 48 hr notice is BS! Plus, in paint, we work alot of 10 hr Fridays. What about c-crew? They had a Friday off a few weeks ago. Plus they only work 5-6 hrs. most of the time. There is a R&W for failure to follow if you miss on a O.T. day. It is SEPERATE from AWOLS. You have to get another R&W FTF to get in trouble. It falls off in 18 months. The union knows this to be true!!!!! I say send them a message and stay home!!!! |
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Post by inspect96 on Dec 17, 2010 4:25:16 GMT -5
Instead of using the OT hours why not just poll everyone(both shifts) and let the people that would like the cash earn it and let the ones that dont want to work stay home. If they dont get the number of people they need to work then have low senority work.
You cant use the OT list because it is NEVER done correctly. our own reps cant even explain it plus theres zero accountablility....they can do adjustments to get OT or not charge to stay low .. The OT list is a bunch of crap
Also does the reps buy all there union gear or does the local use OUR dues to buy the stuff for the reps ??
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 17, 2010 5:50:38 GMT -5
On this one, Fuck Ford! AWOL everyone! Saturday before Christmas. Most of us have parties or family get togethers to attend. Less than 48 hr notice is BS! Plus, in paint, we work alot of 10 hr Fridays. What about c-crew? They had a Friday off a few weeks ago. Plus they only work 5-6 hrs. most of the time. System was STUFFED...c crew worked less than 6 tonight...so you would be partially correct. |
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 17, 2010 7:32:20 GMT -5
On this one, Fuck Ford! AWOL everyone! Saturday before Christmas. Most of us have parties or family get togethers to attend. Less than 48 hr notice is BS! Plus, in paint, we work alot of 10 hr Fridays. What about c-crew? They had a Friday off a few weeks ago. Plus they only work 5-6 hrs. most of the time. Do whatever YOU need to in your particular situation, don't show up if you can't, but don't expect everyone to share your same view. I believe the statement "most of us" isn't accurate, everyone that works here has thier own values, and resposibilities. Thanks for the input Kessinger, Merry Christmas! |
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Post by beenaround on Dec 17, 2010 9:16:32 GMT -5
OT is accrued on hours over 40 in a week. If a certain crew only works 5 or 6 hours a day, hours aren't deleted from total OT hours worked.
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Post by santa on Dec 17, 2010 9:41:21 GMT -5
Damn, be lucky we all have jobs !!!
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Post by santa on Dec 17, 2010 9:42:21 GMT -5
Kess, Santa has your back brother. Stay out of the damn street, wink wink lol
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Post by otonedog on Dec 17, 2010 11:54:28 GMT -5
All you need to know is......They can do that.
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Post by ktpregular on Dec 17, 2010 11:57:44 GMT -5
On this one, Fuck Ford! AWOL everyone! Saturday before Christmas. Most of us have parties or family get togethers to attend. Less than 48 hr notice is BS! Plus, in paint, we work alot of 10 hr Fridays. What about c-crew? They had a Friday off a few weeks ago. Plus they only work 5-6 hrs. most of the time. There is a R&W for failure to follow if you miss on a O.T. day. It is SEPERATE from AWOLS. You have to get another R&W FTF to get in trouble. It falls off in 18 months. The union knows this to be true!!!!! I say send them a message and stay home!!!! Thanks for the info! Good to know and will check into it. Sorry to sound so angry in previous post, and any other time don't mind OT Saturdays. I just was looking forward to a Christmas party with alot of good friends that I don't get to see alot. Already purchased gifts too. |
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Post by hughjorgan on Dec 17, 2010 14:58:28 GMT -5
If you laid out Thursday and got the AWOL wont you be working for straight time Sat. night? I think the first 40 we work is straight time now, correct?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 17, 2010 16:08:42 GMT -5
I believe the first 40 idea is for LAP/COA...at KTP, time after 8 in a day, and special days like Saturday are still OT all the time I believe.
The first 40 situation is for 4-10 hour schedule I believe.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 17, 2010 16:11:32 GMT -5
I keep posting about incompetence at KTP...lets talk about what happened in less than 24 hours in body. First, people are notified of a mandatory Saturday. A crew body is told they have to work. Then word of body/paint don't need to work due to the system having plenty of units to run. Then all of B crew has to work. People on C crew are surveyed to fill gaps of people not showing on B crew. Then on Friday, people on C crew are called at home and informed it is not their time to work, so they are not working and a new survey has to be performed. LMAO Incompetence as usual. Life is good at KTP! |
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