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Post by dave7293 on Jan 29, 2011 13:22:07 GMT -5
If we are ever going to get what we deserve in this contract it might come down to our willingness to strike. We are getting a great opportunity with this profit sharing. Save it !! If we all have a month or more in savings we will stick together in stronger solidarity when the time comes. A lot of people vote because they can`t afford a per long strike. Lets take that problem out of the equation.  |
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Post by TonyV on Jan 29, 2011 16:34:32 GMT -5
Nice Post! Every employee will see the hardest contract time they have seen since they have been at Ford Motor Company, period. After the failed modification attempt, everyone now knows what will be brought to the table again.
You will need as much in your savings as possible to withstand a strike situation. If you were to go out, Ford would make sure to keep you there as long as possible to win what they want. Prepare for much longer than a month, though. As much as you can save this year - do it!!!!!
If it passes without a strike, you have just solidified your personal finances for the future. (In case of injury, etc.)
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Post by bluelu on Jan 29, 2011 17:31:04 GMT -5
True .Our great leader Bob Fucking King took Black Lake off the real estate market and took millions out of our strike fund to pay the bills for Black Lake. We have lost 23 million since 2005 for that counrty club. Fuck the uaw
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Jan 29, 2011 18:57:06 GMT -5
True. Are great leader Bob Fucking King took Black Lake off the real estate market and took millions out of are strike fund to pay the bills for Black Lake. We have lost 23 million since 2005 for that counrty club. Fuck the uaw LOL!!! Bob came down to local 249 when they tryed to sell that last concession....He wasn't exactly met with a positive responce. But, I see no indication that he would be any diffrent this time around. |
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Post by fordmakesnosense on Jan 29, 2011 19:26:08 GMT -5
save all you want theres no way in hell a strike will happen.................and i would bet my new car voucher on it lol
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Post by dave7293 on Jan 30, 2011 0:27:52 GMT -5
TonyV you are right . 2 or 3 months income in savings would make all of us more cocky about what we will that from the company.
For the next 8 months everybody on this site needs to push that issues.
We also need to push the fact that the UAW will try their hardest to get us to pass the first thing they bring down the Chanel.
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Post by dave7293 on Jan 30, 2011 0:30:53 GMT -5
Sorry A little sleepy. That`s take from the company.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 2:02:45 GMT -5
We are no longer 'allowed' to strike...so no way it ever happens again.
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Post by rockyt on Jan 30, 2011 7:51:31 GMT -5
The "no strike" clause was in the modification contract that we voted down. We can still strike. GM and Chrysler can not. That is why Ford will be the target company.
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Post by Calvin@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 8:59:51 GMT -5
I believe Rocky is right. Ford does not have a no strike clause.
I don't think we are going to be as bad off in the upcoming contract negotiations though. I hope I'm right.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jan 30, 2011 9:04:33 GMT -5
I feel the same..don't think Ford wants to lose the momentum that is has now with a strike.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 11:31:34 GMT -5
I understand that, but we will never strike. They will continue to bend over and take it like always.
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Post by Shrek on Jan 30, 2011 13:30:08 GMT -5
strike or Not, if you don't have saving equal to three months set aside now is an excellent time to do so. the future Contract clearly shows that trouble will be brewing. it is suicidal not to have a monetary reserve set aside. I have been preaching this for years. I Know most of you have listened and put that money a way for the storm that's coming.
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Post by rockyt on Jan 30, 2011 14:30:12 GMT -5
I agree with Scott. The chances of the UAW having the guts to call a strike is very slim and will most likely never happen. However Shrek is correct that we should all prepare financially for a strike. Every financial advisor will tell you that you should have at least 3 months of income in reserves.
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Post by tonyp on Jan 30, 2011 15:13:17 GMT -5
I have a question for all ILO and TLO's. If there is a strike while being laid off do we still collect UI and subpay?
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Post by dave7293 on Jan 30, 2011 16:02:58 GMT -5
Tonyp that is one hell of a question  . I hope for the LAP guys you still get it but I have no ideal. The union may be able to answer that but I have learned that they are only right when they really do their research for the answer and that`s not often.  |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 18:31:14 GMT -5
You would be on strike like the rest of us...strike pay every week...no SUB or UI...because there would be no contract. No contract means no SUB.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 18:32:46 GMT -5
Let me clarify why there will NEVER be another strike...if we vote NO, they change the contract a little, we still vote NO, they change it a little more, we then vote YES, we go back to work. They will adjust and adjust until we agree...which always leads me to believe why would you ever accept the first offer...vote NO, make them come back to the table with more for us until we are happy to vote YES.
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Post by tonyp on Jan 30, 2011 18:49:34 GMT -5
How much would strike pay be?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jan 30, 2011 18:59:47 GMT -5
enough for a hot cocoa and a zebra cake.
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Post by rockyt on Jan 30, 2011 20:50:50 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I beleive that strike pay is $100 per week and you must show up for picket duty to be eligible.
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Post by brenteskridge on Jan 30, 2011 23:38:57 GMT -5
I believe stike pay is 200$ and you do have to work pick duty in 4 hr slots. You can work outside, down at the hall or whatever spots that need to be covered.
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Post by dave7293 on Jan 31, 2011 3:25:46 GMT -5
Brenteskridge is right it is $200. a week and you do have too picket as he stated. The sick thing is its been $200. for over 16 years. Even Ford gave us a pay raise. The longest strike ever for Ford was a few months back in the real shitty days.
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Jan 31, 2011 4:24:28 GMT -5
I also agree that a strike will never happen. Ford is already trying to negotiate the contract through the media. They made sure to let everyone know publicly that the "gave us more than they were contractually obligated to". This way when contranct time comes and we want to vote NO. The general public (who hates us all anyway) will say "fucking ungreatful UAW workers..Ford gave you 2000 extra dollars"....and we will fold....Ford wins.
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Post by Calvin@KTP on Jan 31, 2011 7:24:34 GMT -5
I can't tell you how many people have came up to me and said something about my big bonus Ford is giving me in the last week.
The media is doing their job for Ford.
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 31, 2011 7:27:45 GMT -5
In the last few decades major strikes have shown to hurt both sides equally, with no real gains made. Many times the strike resulted in far reaching hardship for many more workers than the striking force, suppliers, transportation, ect...
Too many other U.S. workers are already out of a job, there would be little public support for a strike in my opinion.
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Post by Calvin@KTP on Jan 31, 2011 7:29:17 GMT -5
If by little you mean zero than you are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 15:33:59 GMT -5
there will be no strike.
the concessions we made will take years and years to get back,if ever,and the only way we ever will is through sustained profitability for ford.
the beauty of it is though,if you are really getting screwed so bad,you are always free to walk out the gate and never come back.its still the best job in town , we all know that. many people out of work would knock their own mothers down to have our jobs.
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Post by lucero on Jan 31, 2011 20:08:57 GMT -5
I agree ar15a2, this nonsense about KTP being a prison is pretty stupid. I dont think prisoners make $30 an hour, or leave anytime they want, nobody but yourself keeps you there.
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Post by whiteh20kayaker on Feb 1, 2011 3:18:52 GMT -5
I agree with you AR15. The gate turns both ways and I know people not out of work who would slap they mommy to work here. Where can I buy a kit with everything except the lower receiver? I agree with you too lucero, but the T-shirts do look cool.
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