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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 9:16:03 GMT -5
Any questions you guys need answered about the cotnract please list here and i will try to get them all answered.
One question I am asked about is transfers going back to LAP. You keep your sen. when you arrive at LAP. You do terminate your sen. at KTP because LAP is your home once again.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:19:46 GMT -5
"Active employees who have voluntarily transferred to a permanent job opportunity within the same zone TERMINATE their seniority to all other facilities. Employees who transfer to a permanent job opportunity outside of their current zone will maintain their Basic Unit so long as they do not take the enhanced relocation moving allowance." (RTBU pages 190C, 097A)
Does this TERMINATE their seniority though? Will this cause them to go into LAP having new hire plant seniority? For the ones staying at KTP, doesn't this get rid of LAP as their basic unit? For the ones staying at LAP from KTP- the same?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:26:07 GMT -5
Why is so much of the 'Preferential Placement,, Job Security Program, and Protected Status Employee" sections of the new contract deleted?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:37:27 GMT -5
Why were the letters of understanding for "Job Placement for surplus Employees removed from the contract? Pages 118C and 119C
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:39:34 GMT -5
Why are our legal services being terminated in this agreement?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:44:00 GMT -5
Why was the letter of understanding "Administration of Job Placement"(page 011C) deleted?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 6, 2011 9:45:01 GMT -5
Why ask why Tony...just vote no...much easier. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:49:42 GMT -5
Where is it in the proposal that limits the amount of 2-tier workers? I've heard 20%. Yet, I nor my fellow readers can find it anywhere in the proposal.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:55:39 GMT -5
Is COLA permenantly gone? I know we get $1500 a year under this agreement for "Inflation Protection." But why is COLA deleted from the proposal? Page 062C
Why would something that is grievanced be permenantly removed and agreed upon by the union?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:13:52 GMT -5
Why would the "Equity of Sacrifice" clause be deleted(page 079C) and agreed upon by the union? Same question as above....
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 10:20:12 GMT -5
Why are the Competitive Bonus qualifying metrics not predefined?
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 10:21:18 GMT -5
Why is the Partial Profit Sharing Payment capped at 925 Compensated Hours?
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Post by trinitus on Oct 6, 2011 10:22:04 GMT -5
So many questions and yet no answer's. Don't get me wrong Kess, you have done a great job on here before and I feel you will give us answer's but I think this time most of those elected to the office of the Union will have one hell of a time trying to sell this one. VOTE NO!!!!!
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 10:24:10 GMT -5
Why does the letter of understanding on page 143C seem to support Tony V's concern for a lack of 20% cap on population of entry level employees?
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 10:25:50 GMT -5
Where is the Retirement Pension language? Is there ANY language about restructuring or otherwise exploring any optional plans, e.g. "Cash Balance"?
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:26:31 GMT -5
OK slow down so I can answer lol.
TonyV--Does this TERMINATE their seniority though? Will this cause them to go into LAP having new hire plant seniority? For the ones staying at KTP, doesn't this get rid of LAP as their basic unit? For the ones staying at LAP from KTP- the same?
Answer--Ok . if they are reducing from one plant to anther in zone. They will ask everyone by senioirty. If you say yes at that time then the new plant is YOUR plant. IF everyone says no and they make the low sen. people or laid off people go. Then THOSE people have RTBU rights. THis will not affect past transfers (like you guys) just transfers int he future. So if you say yea I wanna go there then that is your final answer.
Answer--The reason so much langauge was changed in regards to pref. placement is due to this being the fist contract written since we started doing it this way. I am sure both sides wished soem thigns were changed and this would refelect those changes. Example being you guys that volunteered to come over retaining recall rights.
I can't answer to the "why" somethign was done or doen a certain wy Tony since I was not there. Sorry. Scott has insight on some things but not every part of it. I would guess it was eleminated as low hanging fruit since a lot of people don't use it.
TonyV--Why was the letter of understanding "Administration of Job Placement"(page 011C) deleted? Answer--It shows as deleted but was more just moved it shows up on 083A
TonyV-- Is the cola permananetly gone
answer--For the purposes of this contract it is gone, yes. But it can be proposed again and or agreed to again in future contracts, so permanent may not be correct word.
As to agreeing to something that is greived. This contract would have no legal bareing or standing in that griev. That will be heard based on the language at the time it was written.
Having to find the 20% letter will do that in a few minutes.
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 10:27:06 GMT -5
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:30:09 GMT -5
Shift premiums are no where to be found in this agreement...did we lose them? If not, why not have it in writing? And most of all...thanks for making yourself available. Will LAP transfers be surveyed again before we lose all our rights to go back? Not for me, but one of my good friends wants to know. Thanks
*Asked by ScottR in original post
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:30:46 GMT -5
The contract clearly states on page 57 that...
"All plants will adopt the work group/team standard as expeditiously as possible.
LAP is Traditional/COA. If all plants were supposedly team concept anyway, why would it be needed to force all plants to adopt it contractually?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:31:50 GMT -5
Why was the section allowing 2-tier workers to go to full pay deleted? Page (088C)
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:33:33 GMT -5
What is the Cash Balance Pension Plan And Why is it going to be frozen in 2012??? *Asked by Dave7293 in original post.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:34:03 GMT -5
Why are they paying us half of our frofit sharing for next year now if the agreement "Stands on it's own"? (Bob King's words)
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:34:36 GMT -5
Ford stated in the media that they would create 5750 jobs.(Down from an earlier 7500 estimate)
Why does the highlights show 12,000 jobs? Is this Obama math? 12,000 saved but not really created?
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:35:23 GMT -5
Is 30 and out protected in this contract? Does this proposal open the door to eliminate pensions? Does it alter pensions in any way?
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:41:07 GMT -5
Shift premiums are no where to be found in this agreement...did we lose them? If not, why not have it in writing? And most of all...thanks for making yourself available. Will LAP transfers be surveyed again before we lose all our rights to go back? Not for me, but one of my good friends wants to know. Thanks answer--Ok, in all past contracts they had a window reopen to allow those that had already turned down their RTBU rights to get a second chance. There is no such window in this contract. looking up the shift prem. The contract clearly states on page 57 that... "All plants will adopt the work group/team standard as expeditiously as possible. Read more: scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi....3#ixzz1a0mNapbTLAP is Traditional/COA. If all plants were supposedly team concept anyway, why would it be needed to force all plants to adopt it contractually? answer--Why would someone bid leaders if there are no one (team) to lead? And they are making TL pay. All the new pay scales for inspectors and such line up with ARPs levels. Why are there so many "quality" leaders. It sure seems like enough to cover alot of small groups of workers that will at no time be know as a "team" Why does it show our signing bonus as a Settlement bonus? GM's clearly states contract signing bonus Answer--- This one threw me off to Scott. But in the 03 and 07 highlights, inside the highlights they did refer to it as a settlement bonus, on cover it was called signing. So i don't think their is a conspiracy here, I don't think anyone would be thinking that far ahead. How is it legal for the IUAW to allow it's VEBA arm to take 10% of our profit sharing? Why is our profit sharing working hours limited to only 1850 hours per year? Answer--they are not sure it is this would have to clear the courts first. Dave I will try to get you and answer on the cash pension. I got no clue on this question, i will find out.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:41:52 GMT -5
THANK YOU TONY. I screwed up and posted twice he combined them for me so I could keep track. Sorry for the posting screw up.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:44:14 GMT -5
Equity of sacrifuce was COA. The letter the grievance was supposed to be written on is the "Equality of Sacrifice" letter which is still ont eh contract. I am trying to find a copy of the grievance to see what it was actualy written on so we will all know for sure. But again that letter was active at time of the grievance so it would still stand for that purpose.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 10:45:20 GMT -5
Thank you for taking the time to answer questions sir.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:46:15 GMT -5
Why are the Competitive Bonus qualifying metrics not predefined?
Answer--they are writting that out still I think, but we are told it will be you must work 32 od the 52 weeks. We will have to trust or not trust them on that.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 6, 2011 10:50:44 GMT -5
Why is the Partial Profit Sharing Payment capped at 925 Compensated Hours?
Answer--sparky, sorry I can not answer "why" they did something since I was not there and would not want to pass on third hand information I can not verify. But the cap is 1850 compensated hours. But this is not a cap in the way you are thinking of it. This will be a cap on the amount going in the bucket not how much you take out of the bucket. I will try to get a long form answer on profit sharing formula on a seperate thread. Either by me or someone else, I am still a little off on explaining it properly.
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