what's it gonna take for your yes vote

[bryano]

The insurance is where they are going to kill us. They will throw us into Obamacare and watch your deductibles go up. The UPS guys have a lot better retirement than us also. There pension doesn't drop when social security kicks in like ours does I think. We will get screwed on this contract!

[fedupfred]

Bryano is right , we are about to be force fed the worst contract in Ford Motor Co. history, and your committee person will come around and tell you what a great deal it is and how hard they fought for it. They are gonna try to make it as bad as possible for legacy employers.

[thedogg"93]

correct me if Im wrong don't we lose our suplimental at 65 then social security kicked in. now we when we hit 62 we lose our supplimental forcing us to take social sec at 30 to 40 percent less when we really need it. we can never get back what we lost. even in retirement ! fucking sucks....

[nra4life]

Yes ur supplement stops one month after you turn 62 but you are not forced to take social security then. Tesphe should cover the difference easily until you decide to take social security benefits. Been like this forever, nothing new here.

[ScottR@KTP]

Yep, get a plan in place so you can hold out to around 65-67 so you can get MUCH more SS...you can go online and register at the SSA website and see the differences...for me, it was around 16-1700 at 62, about 2300 I think at 67. Well worth the wait, but what if you only live until 69, then you would've been better off getting what you could at 62 until death. Tough decisions...
Ford hopes we die, and in the future, SS will hope we die...too many ppl wishing death upon us all...like them peaceful muslims.

[ScottR@KTP]

www.ssa.gov/

[Deleted]

We will all be retirees one day.

Remember that before you vote.

[Ex-metalman]

Ford reporting that its going to bring the 650&750 back to Cleveland from Mexico?(yahoo)That's a timely decision..I'm guessing we (uaw) used our powerful leverage to get that accomplished (lol)

[cal50]

Ford wanted it out of Mexico and OHAP had the available floor space and resources.
Its a nice looking vehicle.



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[Ex-metalman]

Good maybe we won't get anymore transplants..

[rockyt]

Maybe they will let some of the transplants go back home. Win-win!

[Ex-metalman]

God I hope !!!95 seniority should have a great job ,but bumped back all these yrs ..

[DevilDog19]

Voting YES, voting NO, does it really matter? This is my first contract, and quite frankly, I'm just in awe due to our Union being so far divided. My Wife works fur UPS, their membership went through negotiations 2 years ago. Although the Membership voted an empathic NO three times, it didn't matter. As the President of their Intentional, against the Membership wants, was able to push the contact through, because he "deemed" it in the best interest of the Membership. So why even vote if these Ass Clowns are going to do what they want at the end of the day?

[Deleted]

Devil dog, we aren't teamsters. They have their constitution and by laws and so do we.our contract must be ratified by the membership. That's y u should vote. Vote no. Early and often lol. But seriously, even if what u said is true, it has no bearing on us at all. Vote

[thevocalmajority]

ZERO concessions! A grow-in similar to the Canadian contract is what I see as likely. But must be less than their ten year time frame to get a yes from me. Also a raise for legacy equal to or greater than inflation since 2007($28.62 in 2007 is $32.94 in today's dollars). Although I have no clue really what you guys do/did make.Transfer terms and rights should be equal for every employee. Also want to see investment commitments equal to or greater than the 2.3 billion they are putting into Mexico.

[Deleted]

$28.76 is top pay for a legacy vat. Plus 5% for night shift.

[justaworker]

Aug 12, 2015 18:30:25 GMT -5 @ar15a2 said:

Devil dog, we aren't teamsters. They have their constitution and by laws and so do we.our contract must be ratified by the membership. That's y u should vote. Vote no. Early and often lol. But seriously, even if what u said is true, it has no bearing on us at all. Vote

Teamsters didn't force the contract on the workers, the federal government did. The same laws apply to us as them. If the iuaw says it's a fair deal, the nlrb will likely agree.

[Deleted]

Nah, the laws aren't the same. If ups strikes it affects the whole US and world economy. They do fall under a different set of rules. That won't happen with us

[justaworker]

Nah man, ups doesn't strike.. The unions do. The ipa (pilots union) falls under the railroad act. The run of the mill teamsters do not. I've been on strike as a teamsters at ups. Strikes are no fun.

[DevilDog19]

I'm only saying that the MAJORITY of the National Teamster membership voted down what their International was trying to shove down their throats 3 times and the International President still had the power to push through said garbage. NONE of the membership was aware of the "fine print" that allowed him to do so. Thus, it was a waste of time voting. Well, let me rephrase. It was more like, why even have a democratic voting process if the votes really don't matter? I know we're not Teamsters, so I'll try to get away from that angle. What I'm trying to say is that, if that can happen to another JUGGERNAUT of a Labor Union, without them knowing that it was in their By-Laws, Constitution, or what have you, whose to say the same can't happen with the UAW? I mean, you damn near have to be an Attorney to decipher the language in these contracts, letters of understanding, etc.

[Deleted]

Well,regardless, that won't happen to us. Yeah ur right the union strikes. U got me on that one. I've been thru strikes too. 3 of em, in the uaw. One lasted 3days. The next contract same company ( oops union) strike ended in plant closure. The other one we ended up locked out and lost our jobs.

[thevocalmajority]

news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/08/10/uaw-detroit-auto-companies-grapple-rising-health-care-costs

[thedogg"93]

correct me if Im wrong, but ups teamsters elects it union president by ballots mailed to there homes with a postage free envlope! so wouldnt the president have to answer to the intire union membership. unlike the crony system of the uaw...

[justaworker]

Yeah, as a teamster we voted for intl president.

[william]

Raises for everyone all 4 years
Large signing bonus
Bonuses all 4 years
Secure new work in america.
My basics

[bill]

I agree & no major changes to our healthcare...

[ktpbob]

....and Turkey coupons!

[remember1976]

Autoworkers vote for strike as UAW continues silence on talks

By Shannon Jones 
18 August 2015

United Auto Workers (UAW) officials are continuing their silence on the content of their talks with US automakers as Fiat Chrysler workers continue to vote overwhelmingly in favor of strike authorization.

Workers at the Fiat Chrysler Warren Truck assembly plant in suburban Detroit have voted 98 percent for strike authorization while workers at the Trenton engine plant voted “Yes” by a 95.5 percent margin. A vote at the Sterling Heights Assembly plant is set for Thursday. This follows overwhelming votes to strike at the Belvidere, Illinois and Detroit Jefferson North assembly plants.

A strike authorization vote for workers at General Motors is scheduled for August 27. The UAW has apparently not yet set a strike vote date for Ford workers.

The determination of workers to fight stands in sharp contrast to the stonewalling by the UAW. The silence of the UAW on the progress of the talks with less than a month to the September 14 contract expiration raises a number of questions.

Why isn’t the union keeping workers informed? Why aren’t the demands of the UAW being made known? What are the auto companies proposing? Why do workers have to rely on the corporate-controlled media for information, or rather misinformation?

In years long past it was a regular practice of the UAW to publicize its contract demands each day, by circulating leaflets to all of its members as they were being presented to the auto companies. This was key for building the momentum for a strike. However, the UAW has not called a national strike since 1976, when it struck Ford. In 2007, the UAW called a limited two-day strike, derisively called a “Hollywood” strike by many workers. The UAW followed this bogus strike by immediately accepting the two-tier wage scheme.

If the UAW chooses not to tell workers what it is doing it is only because it is preparing an even greater sellout. Indeed, the union has only called a pro forma strike vote because it is mandated in the constitution. In fact that last thing the UAW wants is to encourage militancy among the rank-and-file.

The UAW is well aware that with US car companies making huge profits autoworkers are determined to abolish the two-tier wage system and to win a substantial pay raise on top of that. But the UAW does not represent these workers. Instead it is a company union whose top executives rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries and payoffs for suppressing opposition from workers and delivering to the auto bosses an ample supply of cheap labor.

Whatever its rhetoric about “bridging the gap,” the UAW is committed to help the auto companies impose further reductions in production costs. This includes higher deductibles and co-pays for health insurance as well as the creation of a third-tier of super-exploited low-paid workers.

At the same time the UAW bureaucracy is seeking to win new perks and sources of income for itself by extending the retiree health care trust fund to cover both hourly and salaried workers. The establishment of the trust fund, or VEBA, financed with billions in auto company stock, gives the UAW a direct incentive to protect its investment income by cutting health benefits.

As a Toledo Jeep worker aptly told the WSWS, “It’s a racket, the original message of the unions was great but it’s not that way anymore. Our union guys go golfing with the bosses and we have no representation unless you’re family.”

A second tier worker at the Fiat Chrysler Warren Truck plant spoke to the WSWS following the strike vote. “We are building 600 trucks a day at this plant that are selling for about $40,000 apiece. I don’t think we are even getting one percent of that.

“I argue with other workers that the company is not about to move everyone up to the top tier. They are more likely to bring the top tier down.

“From what I get, everyone believes there will be a strike. Honestly I don’t think there is a set game plan. Why aren’t we being told anything? It is like they are saying ‘trust us.’ All it seems like we are getting is speculation. I know crunch time is coming.”

The ruthlessness typical of American big business is demonstrated by the ongoing lockout of 2,200 steelworkers in six states by Allegheny Technologies. The company has halted production at 12 facilities and, in an assault on the workers, brought in strikebreakers backed by paramilitary-style private security guards. In carrying out this attack the company rejected concession offers by the United Steelworkers and demanded even more draconian cuts in health care, pensions and working conditions.

With the contracts for some five million workers, including 30,000 steelworkers, expiring this year, the unions have rejected a united struggle to win back concessions and defend jobs. Instead, union officials are working to divide and demoralize workers in order to better impose the demands of the corporations.

Top union officials like UAW President Dennis Williams and USW President Leo Gerard sit on Obama’s corporate competitiveness and trade policy boards, where they work with corporate CEOs to slash labor costs and boost their profits. The unions are opposed to a struggle by any section of workers because it would lead to a direct confrontation with their ally, President Obama, whose major economic policy is wage-cutting and shifting the costs of health care and pensions from the employers to workers.

Various defenders of the UAW, including fake left groups such as Labor Notes, Spark, Autoworker Caravan and the Workers World Party, claim the problem is that Williams and the rest of the UAW leadership have a “flawed strategy” of labor-management “partnership” which could be altered if workers pressured them.

This is a fraud. Williams and top negotiators Norwood Jewel, James Settles, Cindy Estrada & Co. are not misguided individuals. They head up an organization that long ago abandoned the interests of workers in favor of colluding with the auto companies.

While workers have suffered hundreds of thousands of job cuts and a historic reversal in their wages and conditions over the last 35 years, the UAW apparatus has accumulated billions in corporate stocks, positions on corporate and government boards and fat salaries from company-funded “joint” programs. Far from being persuaded by the pressure of workers, the UAW is determined to defend these assets by betraying workers once again.

The fight to defend jobs, wages and working conditions cannot be pursued on the basis of attempting to pressure the UAW, but requires the building, of new, rank-and-file organizations democratically controlled by autoworkers. To mobilize the strength of autoworkers and every section of the working class to secure the social right to good-paying jobs, workers must be guided by a new political perspective based on internationalism and the fight for socialism.

www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/18/auto-a18.html

[Deleted]

The last sentence in that statement , while they bring up some valid points that are true, exposes their true agenda.globalism. Well, that's exactly wut has brought us here to begin with. When the American middle class was at it's peak there was no such phrase as " internationalism" or the "global economy". Just sayin

[lap65]

Interesting that a socialist publication slams Obama. Hmmmmmmm