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Post by remember1976 on Aug 18, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
Despite what you may believe, socialists are NOT Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 15:40:04 GMT -5
Interesting that u felt that needed to be said 76. Of course socialists aren't democrats. Some democrats are socialist. Some republicans are too. The authors of this article are globalist socialists. Democrat or republican doesn't even come into play. They want one world, socialist government .
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Post by lap65 on Aug 18, 2015 16:48:19 GMT -5
Bingo & that's exactly what Obama is
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Post by remember1976 on Aug 18, 2015 17:07:03 GMT -5
The author of that article is a communist. And that is NOT what Obama is.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 18, 2015 18:43:34 GMT -5
He's the closest thing I hope I ever see to being one ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 19:20:29 GMT -5
The only difference between communism and socialism is this. Socialism is willingly accepted by the people. Communism is forced on the people by the military. Other than that the policies are one and the same.
The best part of America is that our system of govt and economy is a blending of the best parts of capitalism and socialism. We are free to be as wealthy as we can make ourselves, and benefit from the fruits of our own achievement(capitalism) and there is a safety net for the elderly and infirmed ( socialism)
I would agree that obamas policies lean toward the socialist side. I don't see how any thinking person would argue with that statement
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5
A liberal democrat is just a big of threat to our freedoms as a socialist.
Liberal democrats follow the same mind set. Big government runs your life and makes your decisions.
At least we have our freedom to vote for our IUAW president and umm, no, never mind.
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Post by remember1976 on Aug 19, 2015 4:57:02 GMT -5
You guys are horrible political scientists. You'd best keep your day jobs.
And thnx for all the laffs.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 19, 2015 13:50:34 GMT -5
Not a scientist of any sorts..Just don't believe in letting MY COUNTRY being ran by an anti American ..He wants to control all aspects of our lives.Dunb bitch Hillary will too .No guns,take every person that knocks on the border door in and take care of them better than some of our family members..Loans ,grants,schooling,housing ,food,jobs..Fuck that.And the UAW backs that?Wow no wonder the GOP hates unions..I still abide by all union laws and know I benefit from being union,but don't see their mentality on politics ..They need a fuckin political scientist to get their heads out of their asses..
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Post by Bcrew4life on Aug 19, 2015 14:59:21 GMT -5
Not a scientist of any sorts..Just don't believe in letting MY COUNTRY being ran by an anti American ..He wants to control all aspects of our lives.Dunb bitch Hillary will too .No guns,take every person that knocks on the border door in and take care of them better than some of our family members..Loans ,grants,schooling,housing ,food,jobs..Fuck that.And the UAW backs that?Wow no wonder the GOP hates unions..I still abide by all union laws and know I benefit from being union,but don't see their mentality on politics ..They need a fuckin political scientist to get their heads out of their asses.. Maybe you have your head up your own ass or you're just another self centered greedy tea party dick. No guns?! Tea baggers assured us Obama would take them, didn't happen! And this nation has taken in immigrants way before Obama or Hillary were in the picture, it's one of the things this nation stands for! The following Lazarus' poem is inscribed on a plaque on the Statue of Liberty. "New Colossus Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 19, 2015 15:27:54 GMT -5
I'm not a tea party fan.Dick yes !Greedy ?Hardly ,I work at this shithole how could I be greedy..Never before have we taken in so many people ..And never before have we had Islamic extremist fuck with us in our own country.(9/11) excluded.Im for get off your lazy ass and work.I do!If I wanna gun (any fucking make model or clip capacity)I should have that right.Obamas a joke.And if you back him you're a joke too..That's my opinion.We still have those as of me typing message..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 15:43:27 GMT -5
Let's not act like Obama or Hillary wouldn't have all kinds of new gun laws if they had their way. If it weren't for political opposition liberals would have taken guns long ago. Like they did in say Australia or even England
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Post by srnktp on Aug 19, 2015 19:25:59 GMT -5
I'm not going to even begin to act as if I know or understand politics. I was 18, over 30 years ago when I registered as a Democrat. My sweet Mother and Grandfather were die hard Democrats in the Mountains of SouthEast Ky. I will be the 1st to say I am not a fan of Obama, I feel he did far more bad for this country than good. I will also be the 1st to say, GW Bush was one of the worst Presidents we have had! I remember when the 1st Bush family and The Reagans were in office, this nation did not seem nearly as divided as we are today. They were Republicans, (not Dems,lol) but yet we had a sense of pride they were OUR leaders! Now, it's either you are a Obama loving, hate guns, love Gay's Democrat or a hate Obama, look at me I'm holier than thou Republican!!!! Good Lord, I remember not too long ago when ppl were in an uproar when Bill had extra marital affairs!!! At the time, it was a terrible scandal, brought a lot of shame to him and his family.... At the same time, look at how much more this country and world has sunken deeper into an immoral society that it is almost looked at as a thought, I wish that was all we had to worry about as a country!!!! If any one thinks for one minute putting Paul, H. Clinton or Trump as President will make this Country any better or heal any wounds, you are sadly mistaken. I and many others realize it's going to get far worse before it get's better here at FMC and the USA! I have a real dread and worry about our future... Things can not and will not continue as it is now. I have 2 young sons and I lay in bed at night and stand on the line during the day constantly worrying and praying for them and their future!!! It' will not matter if a Dem. or a Reb is in office, it will get worse! Stop bickering between the Political Parties, Legacy, 2nd Tier and everything else and begin praying and thinking of what can happen and will happen to all of us in the future. We can all read and remember of days gone by, when it seemed things were so much better, but they always had tomorrow to think about, but it's truly scary to think of our tomorrow. I hope this made sense, I tried anyways.
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Post by lap65 on Aug 19, 2015 21:31:10 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 20, 2015 8:42:15 GMT -5
Agreed on all points.But just saw that the Iranian government will get to use their OWN inspectors at their nuclear plants??Agreed by OBAMA..Now that scares me!Dont know who will or would be a real president.All I know is shits gotta change around The USA.Not for war but it's getting to the point that you could almost see us being attacked ..SCARY.
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Post by thevocalmajority on Aug 20, 2015 15:04:01 GMT -5
What does any of this political bullshit have to do with voting yes or no on our contract. We are 20 days away from our contract expiring and you all are talking republican vs. democrat bullshit!
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Post by lap65 on Aug 20, 2015 18:15:27 GMT -5
The fact that so many don't realize just how much it really does have to do with our contract is scary.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 20, 2015 19:31:17 GMT -5
Yes it does ..plus we can write or reply anyway we want.Sorta get it?
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Post by thevocalmajority on Aug 20, 2015 20:00:07 GMT -5
Yes it does ..plus we can write or reply anyway we want.Sorta get it? I really hope they do buy you out on this contract.So you can go set the world on fire with your mobile welding buisness and be to busy to add your "comments" on here or anywhere else for that matter! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 20:50:51 GMT -5
Still no word on talks as of today. Usually we have a few bones thrown by now. I'm sure the IUAW and our local leadership will cram a broken glass jar full of rusty nails up our assholes when this is all said and done.
All politicians are crooks. So are most of our elected leaders. Neither give a shit about any of us.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 20, 2015 20:57:47 GMT -5
Don't be jealous ..I'll still add comments if I want asshole.Thanks though..
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Post by thevocalmajority on Aug 20, 2015 21:16:20 GMT -5
Yes it does ..plus we can write or reply anyway we want.Sorta get it? I really hope they do buy you out on this contract.So you can go set the world on fire with your mobile welding buisness and be to busy to add your "comments" on here or anywhere else for that matter! Oops did I say world, I meant yourself! |
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Post by thevocalmajority on Aug 20, 2015 21:30:36 GMT -5
Still no word on talks as of today. Usually we have a few bones thrown by now. I'm sure the IUAW and our local leadership will cram a broken glass jar full of rusty nails up our assholes when this is all said and done. All politicians are crooks. So are most of our elected leaders. Neither give a shit about any of us. Yeah all slick jimmy has had to say since the"opening handshake" (almost a month ago) is that "we have to negotiate smart". In other words, we have to figure out a way for the IUAW and the company to continue to get rich and to find some scraps for the rank and file. |
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Post by ktpframe on Aug 20, 2015 23:47:27 GMT -5
It's going to take job security to get a yes vote from me. Most entry level employees don't know that we are not part of the jsp until we move up to tier one. This means they don't have to call us back if we're put on an indefinite lay off and if they do call us back we have to start over from the bottom. I would like a raise to of course but this is my priority.
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Post by remember1976 on Aug 21, 2015 8:27:54 GMT -5
UAW chief advocates health care poolMichael Martinez and Michael Wayland
The Detroit News 10:34 a.m. EDT August 20, 2015
A health care pool for active workers at all three Detroit automakers is likely to be one option pushed by the United Auto Workers, as union leaders prepare to deliver contract proposals to automakers — perhaps as early as this week.A co-op could pool all active salaried and hourly workers to help reduce automakers’ rising health care costs and maintain benefits for its members in the future — similar to what the Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association, or VEBA, does for the current 860,000 UAW retirees and dependents.“I don’t think there’s any other way,” UAW President Dennis Williams told The Detroit News on Wednesday. “I’ve walked through this several ways; I just don’t have any other answer. I do believe this will work. It’s worked with the VEBA.” The system would be a shared responsibility among the UAW and automakers, but driven by union leaders increasingly interested in helping to manage ballooning health care costs and their members’ welfare. The union doesn’t expect the pool would cost workers or the companies more. The co-op concept is a product of the union’s experience managing the VEBA. Since its creation in 2007, fund managers have reinstated vision and dental coverage for retirees and are preparing to reinstate hearing coverage, as they have learned to better manage their resources and coverage. A pooled system also could help automakers avoid the Affordable Care Act’s so-called “Cadillac Tax,” which starting in 2018 imposes a 40 percent excise tax on the portion of group health insurance premiums that exceed $10,200 for single coverage and $27,500 for family coverage. The union president first mentioned the pool in a June roundtable with reporters. But union staffers have redoubled efforts to sharpen the proposals in anticipation of serious bargaining over the next four weeks, as the current contract expires. Labor experts say challenges to the UAW’s health care coverage could be a strikeable issue for the union’s members. General Motors Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV workers have the ability to strike for the first time since the 2007 talks; the UAW gave up that right for the 2011 talks as a condition of GM and Chrysler’s government bailouts. In just the past four years, outlays for health care have grown 45 percent for Ford Motor Co. and 77 percent for FCA. Automaker spending on health care for hourly workers and their families likely will top $2 billion this year. Ford says its health care costs for hourly employees is about $800 million this year, up from $550 million in 2011. FCA says it will pay $615 million this year, compared to $347 million in 2011. GM reportedly spent $665 million on health care for hourly employees and families in 2011. The automaker would not say what its current spending is, but said increases are “on par” with Ford and FCA. “We need to get people healthier,” Jimmy Settles, vice president of the UAW-Ford department, told The News in June. “There’s always ways to do things better.” Automakers and union leaders also are likely to explore ways to address union concerns of the current two-tier system that pays workers doing the same job different wage rates depending on when they were hired.
One option: reviving elements of the old job classification system. In theory, the effort would bring more jobs and functions back into assembly plants, allowing members to bid for higher-paying jobs and the union to boost its dues-paying rolls. UAW Vice President Norwood Jewell, head of the union’s Chrysler Division, told The News this year that there should be a path by which workers “apply to move to a different classification.” “We need to have a clear path for people to be able to maneuver in their workplace,” he said.The two-tier system has caused tension on factory floors and is seen as unsustainable. It was introduced in 2007 as a way to help Detroit automakers be more competitive with their foreign counterparts and help during the economic downturn. Veteran tier-one workers earn about $28 an hour. New hires — so-called tier-two workers — top out at $19.28 for doing the same work. FCA has benefited most under the two-tier system, with its cap on entry-level workers being lifted in 2009. About 45 percent of its roughly 39,000 union-represented hourly workers are classified as tier-two. That’s compared to 20 percent at GM and about 28 percent at Ford. Prior to the two-tier system, there was a diverse way of classifying workers based on seniority as well as type of work. GM already employs hundreds of workers at entry-level wages and benefits, similar to what suppliers would pay. In some cases, these pay rates and benefits are lower than entry-level pay and benefits that second-tier workers earn. Some workers who earn less than starting two-tier wages are at a GM battery plant in Brownstown Township, Orion Assembly Plant in Orion Township and in a few other locations where GM operates new logistics centers. The company currently has a separate labor agreement with the UAW. GM has added hundreds of new jobs through new subassembly, kitting and sequencing work. GM worked with the union to bring in work that previously was not done in-house. Some veteran workers have said they would forgo a pay raise if it meant ending the two-tier system.“The elimination of the two-tier system would be the No. 1 priority in my book,” Brian Langdon, a 20-year worker at Flint Assembly, said recently. “I’d rather not have any wage increase, and let’s get that out of the way. Then we can talk later and see how profitable we are.” Staff Writer Melissa Burden contributed. www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/08/19/uaw-chief-advocates-health-care-pool/32032395/
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 21, 2015 8:38:54 GMT -5
Also read on FREEP today they may try to push for a 2 yr contract which would end in 2017.Because the Cadilac tax starts in 2018.Thus hoping that in 2016 the new president repeals obamacare .
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Post by remember1976 on Aug 21, 2015 8:48:00 GMT -5
#1 No President can repeal any legislation.
#2 Congress CAN repeal legislation.
#3 I wouldn't hold my breath waiting if I were you.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 21, 2015 9:29:49 GMT -5
I'm not ..I'm going by the article that I read..tyBut if there were a Republican president and a Republican majority congress that would be a good start to set into motion a fight against it...Hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:03:10 GMT -5
Well y'all high falutin liberal intellectual types can nit pick metal man all ya want. I have been a vocal critic of him too. He's a bit of a loudmouth at times but he's not always wrong. And I'm sure he knows congress changes legislation, all that. None of us are members of Mensa. We are factory workers. If any of us were really very smart we wouldn't work in this shithole. So get over yourselves.
This thread took a turn when that article from the world socialist party got posted. The guy who posted that bunch of crap is the one to blame for that.
If anyone thinks either political party is "for us" they aren't really paying attention. Both parties are part of the same machine with largely the same agenda. That's my last political statement in this thread.
We really do need to stick together . It's contract time. We don't have to agree on everything. We do need to stand together now though. We really do.
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Post by srnktp on Aug 21, 2015 16:47:29 GMT -5
Well said Brother
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