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Post by rnlouisville1 on Oct 20, 2017 15:44:21 GMT -5
I just heard from an A crew employee whos been here for 20 years. He was told that as of Jan 1 2018 C crew will be gone plant wide. Anyone else hear anything?
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Post by nra4life on Oct 20, 2017 16:35:16 GMT -5
Heard the same thing & that there will be buyout offers for anyone with 25+ years. Guessing the thought is ever how many walk will be replaced by C crew guys, anyone left will be shown the door. New CEO is about making the stock move for the stock holders, that’s job 1 for him or his tenure will be short lived like Mark Fields was. Less shifts is less employees is less expense. Gona work the rest of into the ground. 10 hr days, every other Saturday. Stay safe people
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 20, 2017 17:04:15 GMT -5
Two things:
1-We have ALWAYS heard rumor of C-crew being gone. Even the last time we had C-crew. It was always perpetually on the chopping block. Sometimes rumors are just rumors.
2- BUT, you have to wonder how long they plan on paying almost the entire plant short work week. Most departments haven't gotten a regular 40 hours in months. And eventually there's a market downturn.
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Post by thisplacesux on Oct 20, 2017 18:16:59 GMT -5
Still can’t see us losing a shift while every other plant has 3 shifts, including Ohio which builds 300 and some odd number of our trucks everyday. I have been here 20 years as well but that doesn’t mean I have any inside information. Every time we’ve ever had a C crew there have been constant rumors of it being cut. My point is don’t believe everything you hear around here...
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Oct 20, 2017 20:23:27 GMT -5
Still can’t see us losing a shift while every other plant has 3 shifts, including Ohio which builds 300 and some odd number of our trucks everyday. I have been here 20 years as well but that doesn’t mean I have any inside information. Every time we’ve ever had a C crew there have been constant rumors of it being cut. My point is don’t believe everything you hear around here... Dang it! And all these new guys just ran out and got new cars!!! |
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Post by rnlouisville1 on Oct 20, 2017 20:32:15 GMT -5
Ive been here almost 2 years. I'm one of the few who didnt get a new car. Put money back instead and kept driving my old truck. I just pray i have enough people under me if they do cut C crew that i stay because i have a little one due Jan 4. Dont need the stress from yet another rumor.
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Post by brizzel on Oct 21, 2017 2:43:37 GMT -5
This place runs on rumor. Kinda of like the river of slime in ghostbusters 2. The more fear and worry can be instilled in the new hires, the happier old timers are. Like it was said earlier, the c crew is gone rumor has always been around. I was told by the “old timers” I was getting laid off as well. That was 19 years ago. Don’t worry, it will all work out in the end.
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Post by rnlouisville1 on Oct 21, 2017 4:16:27 GMT -5
I love that movie!
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Post by pmooret on Oct 21, 2017 5:04:43 GMT -5
This is hilarious. I heard the same rumor at LAP, that this is what LAP was going to do, lol.
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Post by tiger66 on Oct 21, 2017 6:14:36 GMT -5
They can't build enough of the trucks and SUV is way behind and may have to add a c-crew, don't worry it will be fine.
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Post by machination on Oct 21, 2017 6:25:50 GMT -5
Well body shop has had 3 shifts since around 1998 iirc. Sometimes it was traditional, sometimes it was aws. The only time it went down to 2 WORKING shifts was during the rolling layoffs 8-9 years ago, and even then the extra shift stayed on the rolls and covered one of the others when it was their turn to be laid off. So body at least has had 3 shifts on payroll for 19 years.
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Post by brizzel on Oct 21, 2017 8:09:23 GMT -5
11.5 is in our near future.
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Post by jagr2 on Oct 21, 2017 11:12:21 GMT -5
Old and new are all under a bit of pressure now. Because we have 2 body shops now we are technically running 4 shifts as opposed to the old 3 shifts - 1 body shop. It would benefit everyone (including FMC) to have 3 shifts in each of the body shops. That's what we all want. The reality is that analysts are predicting a downturn next year. Not much, but less overall sales than this year which was a bit less than last year. The trouble with analysts is the same as rumors, half the time they are true and half the time they are wrong...trouble is no one really knows which half. Hard predicting the future. Tesla and GM are causing a lot of stress for us right now. Causing management to react. Just pray they get it right. If they offer the right buyout old will step aside for the new employees. They are not trying to make life miserable for them. We all want to survive. If they did go to 2 shifts out front it would not last more than a year (I hope). It should go back to 3 when the dust settles.
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Post by gator on Oct 21, 2017 12:33:33 GMT -5
I will be surprised if they get rid of Ccrew Jan. 1st. Once the launch is over and they get the U's going this plant will be full throttle. Ptrim has gone 10-10.7 everyday every night making up the difference for the less U's running down chasis 2. We are behind on Super Duty orders currently and as they build more U's less Super duties will be built per day, which means many Supers. Only Ccrew can shoot their self in the foot with Awols and quality. Plus take this however you want but just a couple of weeks ago on one of our back docks we had a truck of small diesel motors and Super Duty Raptor motors come in and that's not a rumor.
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Post by enginedog on Oct 21, 2017 14:17:15 GMT -5
If they are going to cut out C crew why are they so worried about working veterans day and a super Sunday in Nov. I think the real reason we are going short is because our U vendors can't get us enough parts to keep up.
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Post by jagr2 on Oct 21, 2017 14:39:35 GMT -5
I really hope so. For all our sake. I certainly vote for c-crew. I read somewhere the Expedition/Navigator was first on the list for electrification.
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Post by brizzel on Oct 21, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -5
Vendors are definitely the issue. Only getting 125 seats a day.
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Post by machination on Oct 22, 2017 8:22:21 GMT -5
Only Ccrew can shoot their self in the foot with Awols and quality. C crew exists because its required for production. They aren't going to sacrifice an entire shift's worth of production because of some awols, and quality issues get repaired. Most of the people on C crew are there by choice for the money. B Crew is the shift for people who don't have choices, ergo more likely to have intractable awol problems. I'd like to see the data showing that quality and attendance is so bad on C crew that it would warrant reducing plant production that drastically. Sounds like bullshit to me, sorry. |
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 22, 2017 15:59:37 GMT -5
Anecdotal, I know, but I see more quality issues inspecting from C crew than I do from A and B combined. Monday and Tuesday morning are an adventure......
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Post by gator on Oct 22, 2017 19:39:54 GMT -5
Not so fast my friend. I know for a fact management is fed up with the new people. They are still firing 25 a week, that's why we have so many STS. I don't know if true but I was told more than half of Ccrew is in disciplinary. I know back where I work following Ccrew every week we have to have extra people just to run. Eventually Detroit will come a callin, do you think management will vouch for them? I hope Ccrew is here forever but those of us that have been here for a while know the automotive industry is fragile. The new guy that just took over for Fields recently was quoted that he wanted the car plant employees cut by 30%.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Oct 23, 2017 0:31:57 GMT -5
C Crew is not going anywhere until the state tax breaks end.
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Post by remember1976 on Oct 23, 2017 9:36:03 GMT -5
Ohio Assembly and most of the other passenger vehicle assembly plants are not doing as well as ya'll seem to think. If KTP were to run only 2 crews we would be looking at five 10 to 11 hour days/week and maybe 2 of every 3 Saturdays. The difference in production could be moved to other assembly plants. The company would gain by moving a large number of legacy employees off the payroll thereby lowering their cost of labor per vehicle. If a retirement bonus incentive is offered to hourly employees after the first of the year it will not be limited to KTP. It will be offered across all the assembly plants.
President and CEO Jim Hackett is a new broom. You know the old saying: "A new broom sweeps clean."
I do not know if the rumor of a retirement bonus being offered after the first of the year is true or not. What I DO know for a fact is the same rumor is being heard in other plants. I am talking about plants in Michigan. I heard that from a supervisor who was here from one of the Michigan assembly plants two weeks ago. For what is is worth....
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Oct 23, 2017 11:35:16 GMT -5
C Crew is not going anywhere until the state tax breaks end. You can smell the fear |
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Post by blackbird66 on Oct 23, 2017 17:36:23 GMT -5
The only constant at FoMoCo is change
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 25, 2017 15:26:08 GMT -5
They're running rampant in body..First tagging gone(we haven't been tagging this week) then C crew gone..Enjoy
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Post by machination on Oct 25, 2017 22:01:33 GMT -5
Lets suppose on any given day body shop averages 70 jph, for the sake of example:
Total for the week if tagging: 8,400 units ((70jph x 40 hours) x 3 crews)
Total for the week if massing: 7,692 units (((70jph x 36 hours) + (11jph x 4 hours)) x 3 crews)
This lowers production by 708 units per WEEK.
If mass break is made permanent AND a shift is eliminated, production will fall by 2,564 units per WEEK.
If they go back to relieving AND a shift is eliminated, production will fall by 2,800 units per WEEK.
Trimming production a little by mass relieving from time to time is not on its own an indication that a shift is about to be eliminated. Body has done it before, is doing it now, and will do it again. And has had 3 shifts for 19 years. At 70jph LINE SPEED, mass relieving effectively lowers average daily production to 64.1jph.
"Oh yeah? Well we're gonna go back to traditional shifts I bet!" Not so fast.
Going back to around the clock 8 hour shifts results in the same levels of production at 40 hours per week, IF 70 jph can be maintained, which it will not because maintenance will not be able to work on equipment in between shifts. The only time they would be able to, without losing production, would be on the weekend. The average jph would end up being much lower than even the mass relief average of 64.1.
The slight up front cost savings from going back to 3 traditional shifts would be reversed by this maintenance work that could have otherwise been done between shifts with a minimal loss in production, which would instead have to be worked on DURING production if they couldn't wait until the weekend. Body shop already went thru this the last time they went back to traditionals, which was only done because of the economic collapse anyway. Production suffered. And going to 2 shifts would cost the plant nearly 3 thousand units per week.
However, this is the auto industry, so you new people should be basing your budgets on 40 hours, no overtime, no shift premiums. Because you never know.
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Post by rnlouisville1 on Oct 25, 2017 23:24:38 GMT -5
Would love to base our budget on 40 hour week. We haven't seen 40 since september of last year.
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Post by fordmakesnosense on Oct 26, 2017 9:08:36 GMT -5
Lay in there and get it!!
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Post by TonyV on Oct 28, 2017 9:19:17 GMT -5
Simply....The Order Bank is a balance out order bank that DOES NOT include 2018 Super Duties.
Everyone will be fine.
Go to a union meeting to ask questions you want factual answers to.
Life is good.
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Post by remember1976 on Oct 30, 2017 5:42:16 GMT -5
Go to our local union for accurate factual information? Really?
I'll never forget that our local agreed to allow the company to schedule daily overtime beyond the contractual agreement and told the membership the extra-contractual concession was to prevent some of our Super Duty chassis cab production from being outsourced.
At the same time those in the know were aware that part of our chassis cab production being sent to OHAP was a DONE DEAL.
Just saying....
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