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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 11, 2010 8:49:57 GMT -5
nobody is saying LAP is almighty place to work.....what we are saying is that the union at LAP made sure when it was hot enough we got our break from the heat....don't see the union doing that at KTP....latest weather forecast has friday hitting 100 with the heat index between 110 to 115....think i might just take 10 min on the hr where-ever i may find myself loaned to friday and see what happens....also, based on the heat stress program, the response levels and actions are as follows with the measurments taken from the WBGT:
Response Level 1- 28 C/82.4 F - Water provided in the form of bottled water or ice water in coolers.
Response Level 2- 29 C/84.2 F - Gatorade provided in addition to level 1 actions.
Response Level 3- 30 C/86.0 F - Additional 0.25 hour relief per hour within the hour worked in addition to levels 1 and 2.
Response Level 4- 31.5 C/88.7 F - For production operations provide an additional 0.50 hour relief per hour within the hour worked in addition to levels 1 and 2.
When implementing Response Levels 3 or 4, employees should be encouraged to take their additional relief in areas cooler than the immediate work area such as cafeterias or break rooms.
Plants are also encouraged to consider limiting production to 8 hours when temperatures requiring Response Levels 3 or 4 are expected over several days (3 or more days)
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Post by ktpregular on Aug 11, 2010 11:07:43 GMT -5
In paint we are getting 15 mins. per hour heat relief.
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Post by atltolap on Aug 11, 2010 11:59:45 GMT -5
If we want unity, Turn Off the a/c everywhere except medical and the break rooms! From the Union offices to Joe Bob's office. No reason they can't sit behind a desk in the heat if we have to work on the line in this heat. Okay maybe we can't get mang't to do this but I am sure that the Union office can turn off their own air - More profit sharing next year! You game Kess?
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Post by brizzel on Aug 11, 2010 12:01:21 GMT -5
that's not going to happen.....
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2010 14:34:30 GMT -5
Yep turn all the AC off in the place Im all for that one.Our bathrooms dont have ac so turn it all off.When its 115 out and the damn waterbulp crap says 83.what the hell ever.Something is very wrong why dont we just use the heat index number!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 11, 2010 15:45:58 GMT -5
Hey Scott, You shoulda come to CAP. WE got a heat break when it got to 90 and gatorade and cool wraps, plus fresh squeezed lemonade ( alright, that last part about the lemonade I made up) But with your time you would probably be appointed chairman. Just something to think about. Ha ha...I hear ya. If the move would have been an easy one, easy decision. But, I only imagined how difficult it would be to sell the house...just bought 50 acres in Taylor County...but those are just excuses. If I really wanted to move to Chicago, I assume I would have done so. It was a move I considered long and hard. |
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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 11, 2010 18:38:27 GMT -5
yea, the wbgt is horseshit...says they use that method instead of rectal thermomater....everyone take an extra break on the hr and make the line go off or have a group in one area go to medical at one time!!
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 11, 2010 23:25:23 GMT -5
Yep turn all the AC off in the place Im all for that one.Our bathrooms dont have ac so turn it all off.When its 115 out and the damn waterbulp crap says 83.what the hell ever.Something is very wrong why dont we just use the heat index number! Because that makes too much sense. |
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Post by kessinger on Aug 12, 2010 8:37:31 GMT -5
Punisher you say the KTP union doesnt fight to get you heat breaks when you should. Take note that we recieve electrolytes (doesnt actualy say gatoraide) at a lower WB temp than is the policy for the company or LAP and you recieve a heat break at 85 instead of 86, which is the company policy and the policy at LAP. So the facts don't seem to support your claim. Of course if someone thinks our safety reps are helping "rig" the test, well thats the thing about conspiracy theories there is no way for me disprove a wild claim. Except to say, what would anyone in the union have to gain from NOT getting a heat break?
We recieve heat break almost every year in paint once a year or so in the other areas, mostly on nights. That is pretty much what Steve said happens at LAP.
So again, if you want to hate it here. Feel free. But, acting like we are somehow not getting heat break like we should is untrue and the facts seem to prove its not true. And it just makes things worse in an already hot an miserable summer.
Marcus. No the air isn't being turned off here. And this conference room, as was the one on frame, is open to anyone to come sit in if they wish on break, or anytime, and many do. If your committeperson doesn't come see you, turning off the air wouldn't change anything, they would just go elsewhere. But, most of you see your committeeperson alot and know they aren't snowbirding.
Scott, I know you may hate it here and you have changed alot of departments BY CHOICE. You have bounced from one great bid job to the next, sorry man I just can't feel sorry for you. And I knew you would stay. lol.
I can't say for sure why Heat Index isn't used. That was decided by the IUAW and Detroit. I would say it's because WB is what the goverment here and in Canada recommends using. And as far as using anything a forecaster gives us we all now how far off they can be on a daily basis.
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Post by kessinger on Aug 12, 2010 12:48:30 GMT -5
Lucero,
I know you got gatoraide, CAP said it was first time ever. But, you sure you got heat relief? When I called and asked they laughed at me and gave me a sarcastic "yea right"
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Post by kessinger on Aug 12, 2010 13:04:39 GMT -5
CAPs heat stress program in the attachment. Nothing about breaks in it. They go by company policy as do our plants. Notice they mention the use of the WBGT as well. Attachments:
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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 12, 2010 15:01:02 GMT -5
Well, we didn't get those electrolytes in tire room like other areas of the plant started getting for a few days....then finally we did..and no, steve did not say that it was mainly on nights....we all know it starts getting hot in the plant around 9 or 10...except for the couple of days we have had where it's 80+ when you come in at 5:30, then it's already steamy....look, like I said..it's been really hot in the plant...some days alot more than others...and when they come and pick up the empty 5 gallon container to go get it filled at 7am and don't return one til 9 or later, it pisses people off, not just me....and i don't work in paint, so when it's 100 degrees outside and somewhere around 105 to 110 in the building, does that mean i don't deserve a heat break?.....they should have the heat response program re-done to where we get a heat break based on in plant temperature or the heat index..not some damn wb testing crap.......ahh...ktp life, what a joy.
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Post by marcus on Aug 12, 2010 16:31:06 GMT -5
Hey kess I dont mean just turn the air off just in union area I mean turn it off in the whole plant.I work in the heat so should the people in HR and salary.
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Post by kessinger on Aug 12, 2010 18:16:36 GMT -5
Ok, my point is that the heat stress program needs to be revamped for FORD. Saying that we don't get what other plants do is just KTP bashing since it isn't true as I have shown. I am fine with that, I just want to make sure everyone understands it for what it is.
Yea i knew that marcus. I just try to answer everything.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 13, 2010 0:58:57 GMT -5
KTP bashing...that goes on alot out here. But please don't act like we (crybabies on here) are the only ones recognizing differences. I have spoken to hourly from Ohio and Atlanta just to name a couple others who seem to bash this place regularly as well. And it isn't only the hourly non-skilled workers bashing...i've spoken to maintenance and salary that transferred in that bash KTP regularly. I spoke to a boss from LAP that was loaned out to KTP recently...he told me he would quit if KTP was his home.
So why all the bashing on all levels? Could it be deserved? There is nothing wrong with having pride in working at KTP if it's all you know. But for all the people with time at plants with better management, better work environment/morale, a more proactive union, a contract (talk about attempting to rile up Kess...lmao), etc, etc, etc......
I built relationships with Carter and Cima while in I.Q. at LAP...someone please ask them their their thoughts on KTP...I am curious. Most bosses from LAP that have spent time out here hated it.
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Post by brenteskridge on Aug 13, 2010 2:29:32 GMT -5
Tonight in U-trim we had a lady who nearly passed out on the line due to the heat. She is alright and was sent out tonight due to the heat. She was able to feel this coming on and sat down on the line before passing out. Out of all the cases of people going to medical, she is the first case that I know of that was documented as a heat related issue and not due to personal medical reasons that caused her to go down.
We all know that it is hot as hell and it sucks for everyone that is in that place working but if the company is not going to use common sense to treat their workers better and they go strictly by the OSHA guide lines ( which they are ) then you have to take care of your self. The company does not give a shit about you or your family. They only care about building a truck and most of the time they don't give a shit if you send it out with the right part or not just has long as that line keeps running. This comes from the supervisors here at KTP and the ones from other plants. Carter, has no clue which plant he is even at. Cima, for most part is a cool dude and from what I see is doing right by his people except for tonight with an issue that is going to get address tomorrow, or what I mean later today when we go back to work.
Everyone has their own opinion on issues and how they think it should be handled. We all are not going to agree on everything that goes on here at KTP or any other plant that you may be in but if there is something that we/us as the union can do to make it better, I am all about it. We will agree on some issues and we are going to disagree on others. I put my number on everything I put out because I am always willing to listen to one of my union brothers/sisters when it comes their concerns. I try my best to be there to help and if I can't get it done then I ask someone to help me to get it done if we have it coming to us. So, if there is an issue that you would like to talk about, feel free to call me at work ext...2392 or my cell phone 718-6596. God bless and work safe so you go back home to your families
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Post by wplap on Aug 13, 2010 9:51:06 GMT -5
Cima, Chima...whatever his name is(in my area we call him Semen, I suggest you do the same) he is a real fucking hassa and is well hated for his inability to "do right" by his people. From what I remember and have heard from others, "Semen" was okay at LAP, hell, even Carter was alright; at least to the point he didn't mind us yelling obscenities at him whenever he wore his flaming paisley shirt that was reversible with solid pink on the other side. Now, not so much. It's the KTP, it's a hellish mindset twisted by the likes of the upper-middle management, who from what I can tell, simply get their kicks off of being total vindictive assholes....enter Abel. KTP just simply has more backstabbing ladder climbers than LAP, who are more than willing to do the bidding of that dickhead, Abel(or Able?) Abel himself is leaned on by that bald headed fuck, Farley and just like a stacked up line of unstable dominos, they all fall down....on us.
Sidenote: Ever notice that Abel literally looks like a dickhead. That hairline of his works as a discolored foreskin! Someone check the top of his head for me, I bet there is a peehole!
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Post by sonic99 on Aug 13, 2010 10:04:00 GMT -5
hey brian we havent been getting anything to drink in frame dept until 730 or 8 on b crew can you see it you can help with this
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Post by FocusSVT on Aug 13, 2010 15:12:16 GMT -5
I think they need to call it a wet ball test...because if they tested it on my balls we would be off for a week.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Aug 13, 2010 15:30:02 GMT -5
Dude above is really bitching about not getting his gatorade until 9:00 AM?
Are you kidding me?
FWIW, I can't imagine too many other plants have a Dave Farley, or at least LOVE the guy like upper managment loves him here.........
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Post by hoghead on Aug 13, 2010 17:51:43 GMT -5
wplap i really miss your rants. you are so out of your mind .and i totally agree with you about mark able hes a butthead just for the sake of letting people know hes the boss. i guess its a bald mans complex just pissed he looks like that i know i would be
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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 13, 2010 19:14:38 GMT -5
no...not kidding!
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Post by nvsked1 on Aug 13, 2010 21:15:27 GMT -5
wplap you rock... when you're not talking over my head I find you too funny, and well read!
Can't tell you all the UAW plants I've been at....and won't. But none of them gave a shit how hot it was... NONE (here either) just a hoop they have jump through
Union wise...I give credit to committee members for taking the time to post here and for the abuse they endure. Other plants I've seen, the majority of committee people hide behind voice mail and pagers (seen that here too not as many though) Some are Doing the committee job to avoid that line.... Don't get me wrong, I see a lot of good committee people here.
Heat program... it's hot out, second hottest on record... get over it! Or quit, another MF'er out there to take your place, a bunch of whining MF'ers MY GOODNESS! I have 20 years as UAW, been on the shittiest jobs ever....suck it up! Or Quit
God Bless the UAW! Because of the collective bargaining...get it... collective, most have forgotten. Wet Bulb me one time.
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Post by mysteryjim on Aug 14, 2010 5:56:31 GMT -5
GET OVER IT? GET OVER IT? Or another can take my place? I don't think so!!!!!!!!!! If anyone is overheated and can't deal with the heat.......THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. DUMB ASSES like you nvsked1 must have 20 years of your head up a bosses ass. I can't believe you would get on here and post such crap (since you've been to sooooo many places, you've either been paid thousands of UNION dollars for transferring or just a boss. Either way, I see my previous statement true (see head up bosses ass).
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Post by fordboy on Aug 14, 2010 6:45:59 GMT -5
Im with NVSKED, Its summer, its hot, get over it! We've been doing this for years, its not a KTP issue, its an I work at an assembly plant with no A/C and its Fn hot issue.
Of course if you feel sick go to medical, isnt that a no brainer? and yeah, Im from LAP and no, this situation wasnt any better out there.
Now dont get me started on Mark Abel, biggest dick in the plant! Carter really isnt that bad once he knows his cussing at you isnt going to bother you. He's lightened up a bit lately, must be the pretty floral shirts.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 14, 2010 7:27:21 GMT -5
I personally never had to work for Carter...but when I was dealing with him while in incoming quality, he did his job for me which is all I could ask for. But I have heard working for him is something different. We all know it's hot, we all know there are a few thousand people out there that would love to have our jobs, we all know "we should be happy to have a job"...we've heard all this wonderful rants. Many of us only want what is contractually promised to us. We are not looking for preferential treatment, only what we are due. Like many have already stated...go to medical. But go when you really don't need to. If you feel hot, go...read up on the symptoms of heat stress and repeat them upon entering medical. If you wait until you are truly sick, it's too late. Go prior to feeling heat stress.  If 10% of the plant went daily, changes would be made. If 25% of the plant went, they would hire TPTers. |
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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 14, 2010 14:27:26 GMT -5
ditto scott
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Post by nvsked on Aug 14, 2010 20:30:55 GMT -5
GET OVER IT? GET OVER IT? Or another can take my place? I don't think so!!!!!!!!!! If anyone is overheated and can't deal with the heat.......THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. DUMB ASSES like you nvsked1 must have 20 years of your head up a bosses ass. I can't believe you would get on here and post such crap (since you've been to sooooo many places, you've either been paid thousands of UNION dollars for transferring or just a boss. Either way, I see my previous statement true (see head up bosses ass). Head up Boss ass(please) too funny.....If my head is up his ass I'm trying to find you to pull you out...Collective i.e. " If 10% of the plant went daily, changes would be made. " PUNISHER, ScottR@KTP, fordboy + 1 P.S. you can disagree with a person without getting personal "active debate" |
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Post by mysteryjim on Aug 14, 2010 21:42:09 GMT -5
" If 10% of the plant went daily, changes would be made. "
For the record, I didn't say the above message. You're right, I shouldn't get personal......but when you say, "Do it or quit." That makes me sicker than the heat. You're there just like everyone else. Maybe minding your own business of those that can't deal with the heat might be a better option for you. After all, no one is going to listen to someone who says, "Do it or quit." Just makes me upset that as a union brother, you would hang people who get sick during the heat out to dry. Maybe you should go after the physically handicapped next. LOL
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Post by nvsked1 on Aug 14, 2010 23:09:24 GMT -5
" If 10% of the plant went daily, changes would be made. " For the record, I didn't say the above message. You're right, I shouldn't get personal......but when you say, "Do it or quit." That makes me sicker than the heat. You're there just like everyone else. Maybe minding your own business of those that can't deal with the heat might be a better option for you. After all, no one is going to listen to someone who says, "Do it or quit." Just makes me upset that as a union brother, you would hang people who get sick during the heat out to dry. Maybe you should go after the physically handicapped next. LOL You now understand.... I have my share permanent disabilitie(s) not as fortunate as some much better off than most. (May explain the edge) Life deals you lemons, learn to enjoy lemonade, or not. Paraphrasing the original post...enough said. Have good one PS I prefer the phrase challenged give out don't give up |
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If 10% of the plant went daily, changes would be made. If 25% of the plant went, they would hire TPTers.