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Post by justaworker on May 4, 2015 23:03:43 GMT -5
Not going to read through three pages, just want to point this out....two tiers is the only reason these plants have 3 crews. If labor costs were equal across the board, we would just run two shifts like in the Explorer days and lay off about 1,500 people. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by saugerman on May 5, 2015 3:54:55 GMT -5
spread the wealth.....even if you didin't earn it
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Post by saugerman on May 5, 2015 3:57:35 GMT -5
Well cause I graduated hs in 2000 so there's that....People I gonna say it as clear and simple as I can since it's obvious some of you are struggling. Two tier is a clear violation of what the union stands for. And if you agree that legacy gets a raise before that violation is addressed then you should be ashamed to be a member! Never argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who. And on that note my message board days are done! Thank you and good night yawn |
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Post by rotinhellslugs on May 5, 2015 6:09:46 GMT -5
Here's a breakdown of Ford profits for both Louisville plants. UAW 862 should be treated like royalty!
KTP Profits:
Per Hr: $1,500,000
Per Shift: $13,500,000 (based on 9 production hours)
Per Day: $27,000,000 (based on 2 shifts)
Per Week: $135,000,000 (based on 5 days, 2 shifts)
Per Month: $607,050,000 (based on 4.33 wks + 1 OT wk)
Per Year: $7,717,500,000 (based on 49 weeks)
That Is: $7Billion,7Hundred17Million,5HundredThousand
We'll assume LAP profits are half of that so the combined total Ford profits for KTP & LAP per year is:
$11,576,250,000
$11Billion,5Hundred76Million,250Thousand.......green!!!
Does the entire 862 membership feel screwed now!!
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Post by rotinhellslugs on May 5, 2015 6:24:48 GMT -5
I might add that both UAW862 plants are putting out over $46Billion worth of production each year & that is why EVERYBODY deserves to be compensated fairly!
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Post by whiskerfish1 on May 5, 2015 6:42:54 GMT -5
It's a sad day when we bicker between each other !! The company watches this board and is laughing at us. Wake up people !!!! 06/18/2012 hire in date.
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Post by entitlednewhire on May 5, 2015 7:04:57 GMT -5
Here's a breakdown of Ford profits for both Louisville plants. UAW 862 should be treated like royalty! KTP Profits: Per Hr: $1,500,000 Per Shift: $13,500,000 (based on 9 production hours) Per Day: $27,000,000 (based on 2 shifts) Per Week: $135,000,000 (based on 5 days, 2 shifts) Per Month: $607,050,000 (based on 4.33 wks + 1 OT wk) Per Year: $7,717,500,000 (based on 49 weeks) That Is: $7Billion,7Hundred17Million,5HundredThousand We'll assume LAP profits are half of that so the combined total Ford profits for KTP & LAP per year is: $11,576,250,000 $11Billion,5Hundred76Million,250Thousand.......green!!! Does the entire 862 membership feel screwed now!! it doesnt matter bc we need to be competitive in a global market...lets give teir one a raise since they havent had one in ten years....lets say 34.00 an hour but lets keep teir 2 at 19.00 an hour for another four years..that sounds good |
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Post by JoePieper on May 5, 2015 7:22:32 GMT -5
That may be revenue but it sure ain't profit. Maybe you should know the difference before making yourself look stupid.
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Post by entitlednewhire on May 5, 2015 7:31:28 GMT -5
2014 was predicted to have less profit because of the f150 but we still almost maxed out profit shareing so im guessing they are doing goood
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Post by rotinhellslugs on May 5, 2015 8:25:56 GMT -5
That may be revenue but it sure ain't profit. Maybe you should know the difference before making yourself look stupid. PipeSmoker, that's why I did the math! For the lower intellect like yourself! If you could ever pry yourself off the nuts you might learn something. |
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Post by rotinhellslugs on May 5, 2015 8:39:08 GMT -5
My post was strictly describing the profits of both 862 plants "for" Ford Motor Company not the overall profit "of" Ford Motor Company.
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Post by TonyV on May 5, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -5
thevocalmajority: 1- the IUAW will pattern bargain again(the International president said so in the last gathering)It will probably bring you a contract that was put together by GM or Chrysler. That has been the case for some time. 2- in the last contract 2 of the 3 Big 3 went bankrupt. They used the same contract as the 2 that went bankrupt with the exception the Ford retained the right to strike. I voted no on the contract as many others locally did but it did not matter. It already had the votes to pass before Local 862 voted. 3- Do you think attacking the majority of the work force will sway people over to your personal agenda? Or will it disenfranchise them from your cause? Think about phrasing. Every Ford Motor Company employee left working now has made incredible sacrifices to bring Ford back to where it is today. There is plenty in the kitty to take care of all. 4-As far as your agenda goes, it is not the top priority. Sorry. Priorities will be as follows: 1- Retirees(they have been frozen for so long it is not funny. They have had their benefits switched over to the VEBA(Union Controlled) and have seen large out of pocket costs erode their fixed income. 2- Two-tier wage increases. You will see a wage increase. I do not see benefits changing though. 3- COLA or some increase in wage for the mass top level employee. Without this, the contract has no chance of passing. Top level employees have made constant sacrifices of benefits, break time, wage freezes, loss of COLA, loss of Christmas bonus', loss of "Fair days work for a Fair days pay" clause loss in the contract, hours worked(Company allowed to increase hours and OT at will), Etc. - not to mention those that relocated to keep a Ford job. Attacking this group and telling them they should be 'ashamed' is selfish at the least, ignorant and short sighted may be the best way to phrase it. Now, you wish the majority to sacrifice again for your agenda and sacrifice again after giving so much up that resulted in Ford making Billions? You'd be better off trying to unify everyone to work together instead of attacking. Lastly, it is my humble opinion that you are a member of the IUAW/or Ford that is trying to condition the membership to the eventualities that are coming in this Septembers contract. Very strong post for a new member. If it looks like it and smells like it, I will call it out.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:23:25 GMT -5
A message from the troll to me: Hey ass mouth I am 34 yrs old have worked 2 jobs for nine yrs married with 2 kids and have owned 2 homes. I haven't lived at home since I was 19 and working at ktp. So next time read the whole thread b4 you start running your d*ck sucker and while your at it make it useful and suck my balls like your momma would |
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Post by justaworker on May 5, 2015 18:43:32 GMT -5
Nothing like a new hire telling those of us that have sacrificed how we should feel. I would be offended if he wasn't so Damn stupid. Look newbie, you don't deserve shit. You took this job, knowing the exact pay and benefits. If you don't like it, that's on you. You new kids, are the only people here that haven't been lied to and misled.... Yet you feel more entitled than anybody. Lol
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on May 5, 2015 22:29:33 GMT -5
Nothing like a new hire telling those of us that have sacrificed how we should feel. I would be offended if he wasn't so Damn stupid. Look newbie, you don't deserve shit. You took this job, knowing the exact pay and benefits. If you don't like it, that's on you. You new kids, are the only people here that haven't been lied to and misled.... Yet you feel more entitled than anybody. Lol Amen to that.. But we ALL deserve equal pay. I say $31.50 for legacy...and by end of this next contract all others make the same. No profit sharing for length of new contract...and add cola back for all..... Done and done. |
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Post by saugerman on May 6, 2015 8:02:38 GMT -5
A message from the troll to me: Hey ass mouth I am 34 yrs old have worked 2 jobs for nine yrs married with 2 kids and have owned 2 homes. I haven't lived at home since I was 19 and working at ktp. So next time read the whole thread b4 you start running your d*ck sucker and while your at it make it useful and suck my balls like your momma would Has a funny way of making friends |
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Post by ihatemyjob on May 6, 2015 8:19:10 GMT -5
thevocalmajority: 1- the IUAW will pattern bargain again(the International president said so in the last gathering)It will probably bring you a contract that was put together by GM or Chrysler. That has been the case for some time. 2- in the last contract 2 of the 3 Big 3 went bankrupt. They used the same contract as the 2 that went bankrupt with the exception the Ford retained the right to strike. I voted no on the contract as many others locally did but it did not matter. It already had the votes to pass before Local 862 voted. 3- Do you think attacking the majority of the work force will sway people over to your personal agenda? Or will it disenfranchise them from your cause? Think about phrasing. Every Ford Motor Company employee left working now has made incredible sacrifices to bring Ford back to where it is today. There is plenty in the kitty to take care of all. 4-As far as your agenda goes, it is not the top priority. Sorry. Priorities will be as follows: 1- Retirees(they have been frozen for so long it is not funny. They have had their benefits switched over to the VEBA(Union Controlled) and have seen large out of pocket costs erode their fixed income. 2- Two-tier wage increases. You will see a wage increase. I do not see benefits changing though. 3- COLA or some increase in wage for the mass top level employee. Without this, the contract has no chance of passing. Top level employees have made constant sacrifices of benefits, break time, wage freezes, loss of COLA, loss of Christmas bonus', loss of "Fair days work for a Fair days pay" clause loss in the contract, hours worked(Company allowed to increase hours and OT at will), Etc. - not to mention those that relocated to keep a Ford job. Attacking this group and telling them they should be 'ashamed' is selfish at the least, ignorant and short sighted may be the best way to phrase it. Now, you wish the majority to sacrifice again for your agenda and sacrifice again after giving so much up that resulted in Ford making Billions? You'd be better off trying to unify everyone to work together instead of attacking. Lastly, it is my humble opinion that you are a member of the IUAW/or Ford that is trying to condition the membership to the eventualities that are coming in this Septembers contract. Very strong post for a new member. If it looks like it and smells like it, I will call it out. Not to mention the fact of us giving all that up led to adding a 3rd crew which cut out 10hrs overtime per week which accounts for about $20,000 per year that we lost out on making. |
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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 6, 2015 9:25:28 GMT -5
Nothing like a new hire telling those of us that have sacrificed how we should feel. I would be offended if he wasn't so Damn stupid. Look newbie, you don't deserve shit. You took this job, knowing the exact pay and benefits. If you don't like it, that's on you. You new kids, are the only people here that haven't been lied to and misled.... Yet you feel more entitled than anybody. Lol Amen to that.. But we ALL deserve equal pay. I say $31.50 for legacy...and by end of this next contract all others make the same. No profit sharing for length of new contract...and add cola back for all..... Done and done. Boo, no thanks. If you haven't noticed, once something is taken away or suspended, it doesn't come back. No way I'd vote to put profit sharing on the shelf for four years. Ill pass. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 6, 2015 13:16:33 GMT -5
I want raises and profit sharing?Or give me a early ret.(20yrs) at 60% of full retirement..I'll take that or 150000 clear and I'm bye bye!!!Plus bring back OT pay for C crew?? 10 hrs max per day.We are all aging and the 11 hour shit is going to take its toll.I agree we all should get same pay but not happening.I wanna know why we voted to give up shit to help the Co..Now correct me if I'm wrong didn't they (UAW)hand out a flyer back then that stated TEMP UNTIL THE CO GETS BACK ON ITS FEET ???or am I fucking nuts??I wish I would of kept that handbill..That's what we should be bitching about..I want my mfi g back pay too..You don't think these fucks are making profit yet?? I'm ready to walk out of this bitch.All the new shit and money they poured in this dump .They don't want it idle and the UNION SHOULD BREAK IT OFF IN THEM..Already know my vote ...Fuck NO!!!
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Post by lap65 on May 6, 2015 13:49:31 GMT -5
Temporary is exactly what they said. But thats always the case, you do a little extra today " temporarily " its yours from then on. You give up something "temporarily " you never get it back
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Post by pmooret on May 6, 2015 14:11:56 GMT -5
It was temporary or "Suspended" through the end of the contract. Last contract apparently there were a lot of folks who didn't save their money and voted yes. As for me, I'll vote no until we get back all of our raises that were "Suspended" plus all COLA that was lost during the "Suspended" years. I don't see the company hurting for money now, all I see is greedy SOB's who laugh all the way to the bank.
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Post by william on May 26, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5
Im so sick of the new hires making threats to get my retirement.
34 is still young kid to most of us.You people hired under tier 2 new the deal.Stop the threats.
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Post by william on May 26, 2015 12:40:54 GMT -5
Great pøst Tony.They dont seem to understand at all.
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Post by william on May 26, 2015 12:58:25 GMT -5
vocal majority
Many of us have degrees or own our own businesses we have skills other than Ford.
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Post by william on May 26, 2015 13:01:21 GMT -5
lol out of high school in 2000.Enough said.
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Post by cal50 on May 26, 2015 19:19:24 GMT -5
thevocalmajority: 1- the IUAW will pattern bargain again(the International president said so in the last gathering)It will probably bring you a contract that was put together by GM or Chrysler. That has been the case for some time. 2- in the last contract 2 of the 3 Big 3 went bankrupt. They used the same contract as the 2 that went bankrupt with the exception the Ford retained the right to strike. I voted no on the contract as many others locally did but it did not matter. It already had the votes to pass before Local 862 voted. VERY true and accurate. One other sad detail is GM actually received a larger profit sharing check than we did (Ford) after the bail out and some contract language differences with Ford hourly coming up short. One example a tradesman loaned to production receives his trades hourly rate while a Ford tradesman loaned out gets production wages. There is zero incentive for the company to get a tradesman ( or woman ) back on their tools. If the UAW negotiated this "deal" I would prefer the GM deal over what we got. Its lop sided language that hurts in the long run more than dollars per hour. I also agree retirement / pension benefits needs to be increased. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 5, 2015 8:05:00 GMT -5
Threads like this get me all excited to see we still have passionate employees...I hope you are all still passionate contract time and don't allow another turd to pass.
I understand the OP's frustration, but you NEVER attack your union brothers/sisters that are still (and will always be the majority) dictating your future contracts.
As for what I expect...they will get rid of the % of workers on 2nd tier and go with tenure until full pay...I heard the Chrysler/Fiat CEO state this is what he wants...and of course GM was on board with the idea. Hire in, ten years later, full pay...or fill in the # of years with what they choose. Gives the new hire an EXACT date when to expect to reach full pay.
2nd tier is going no where...possibility of multiple tiers will happen before it disappears...with up to 7 tiers possible...GM plant already doing this...insource work from suppliers...allow suppliers' pay rates to come with the jobs.
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Post by laptier2 on Jun 5, 2015 16:37:35 GMT -5
Not going to read through three pages, just want to point this out....two tiers is the only reason these plants have 3 crews. If labor costs were equal across the board, we would just run two shifts like in the Explorer days and lay off about 1,500 people. Be careful what you wish for. So dead on the spot!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 5, 2015 16:40:54 GMT -5
That's BS .we had 3 crews back when and even paid more OT...These assholes are making so much money it's ridiculous .I really don't care but they could pay equal..
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Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 19:02:15 GMT -5
That's BS .we had 3 crews back when and even paid more OT...These assholes are making so much money it's ridiculous .I really don't care but they could pay equal.. They could certainly pay more, and at a time like now when they are awash in profits it wouldn't even put a dent in their revenue. But that doesn't change the fact that c crew exists because it creates lower cost labor. And, when was lap on 3 crews? Don't think that's ever happened. |
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