|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 19:58:03 GMT -5
i dont think lap is on a three crews bc of cost....it is bc they cant make enough of them....if we were all tier one they still would have c crew...look at the numbers
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 20:05:40 GMT -5
id say fuck it keep the two teirs if thats how everyone wants to do it...but keep it at 20% and give both sides raises...and new hires need call back and transfer rights
|
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 20:06:19 GMT -5
i dont think lap is on a three crews bc of cost....it is bc they cant make enough of them....if we were all tier one they still would have c crew...look at the numbers I'm a huge fan of sarcasm, love your name. Looking at the numbers is exactly right. When I hired in we worked 5-10s with some Saturdays sprinkled in. Due to tag relief, we built about 810 per shift. That's 8100 a week without even adding a Saturday. This plant could easily meet current escape demand with two shifts again. Please, don't misinterpret any of that as a scare tactic. I believe c crew is here to stay for a very long time. |
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 20:12:57 GMT -5
i dont think lap is on a three crews bc of cost....it is bc they cant make enough of them....if we were all tier one they still would have c crew...look at the numbers I'm a huge fan of sarcasm, love your name. Looking at the numbers is exactly right. When I hired in we worked 5-10s with some Saturdays sprinkled in. Due to tag relief, we built about 810 per shift. That's 8100 a week without even adding a Saturday. This plant could easily meet current escape demand with two shifts again. Please, don't misinterpret any of that as a scare tactic. I believe c crew is here to stay for a very long time. really i've never seen those numbers before so you must have been building 80/90 per hour |
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 20:14:17 GMT -5
i guess that would cover a whole shift?
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 20:26:46 GMT -5
i think its pretty ridiculous to say this plant could run on two shifts ever on 5/10s....maybe a couple of years from now but dont give me the whole...ive done this crap.....we run a full three rotations
|
|
|
|
Post by lap65 on Jun 5, 2015 20:48:32 GMT -5
We ran 100 an hour off chassis. 90 something in trim. Easily did more a day than now, more a week, more a year etc.
|
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 20:49:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it was 83jph when I hired in at beginning of 2002. I think prior to that they ran 93 job. Hard to believe, then as sales fell we ended up on one shift building 55 jph. That's life in this industry. Enjoy the ride.
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 20:55:36 GMT -5
right what do we run now.... we have "super Sundays and Saturdays".....its ok c crew has no overtime and gets payed less....something we should fix right guys
|
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 20:58:20 GMT -5
right what do we run now.... we have "super Sundays and Saturdays".....its ok c crew has no overtime and gets payed less....something we should fix right guys Yeah, I agree on the pay. Like you said earlier, we all need raises. But tier 2 should get much bigger to" close the gap". More importantly, you all need better language as it pertains to recall and transfer rights. |
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:02:24 GMT -5
well that and no more tiers and the 20% doesnt get any higher
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:06:20 GMT -5
i think we could all vote on that
|
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 21:08:04 GMT -5
well that and no more tiers and the 20% doesnt get any higher Tiers should have never happened. But no reason to see them going away now. Hopefully people realize that these are the good times. Seems like some are waiting for things to get better..... Well, this is better. The product we manufacture is in demand. That won't always be the case. |
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:19:43 GMT -5
September will be interesting.....lets see what the union does
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:22:40 GMT -5
well that and no more tiers and the 20% doesnt get any higher Tiers should have never happened. But no reason to see them going away now. Hopefully people realize that these are the good times. Seems like some are waiting for things to get better..... Well, this is better. The product we manufacture is in demand. That won't always be the case. more for you then me...the idiots are gonna vote out every benefit for dollars on the hour...its gonna effect the tier 1 |
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:41:22 GMT -5
look the guy that got me this job was layed off with six children.....i understand that yall had no idea if you fucked up by not taking the buyout and were sitting here wondering if you would have a job or if your fucked bc they arnt opening the plant.....alot of teir 2 dummies dont understand that but dont hate us bc we want to have a job that could support a family
|
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 21:43:20 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the idiots that vote, and more worried about the idiots that negotiate.
And we don't hate you, we love you. It's a Damn shame you all didn't hire into the same jobs that we did.
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 21:57:48 GMT -5
i really dont know what to expect...ive sunk 3 years into ford and i know thats not alot but if the September doesnt go well im gonna need to find somewhere else to work
|
|
|
|
Post by entitlednewhire on Jun 5, 2015 22:15:01 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the idiots that vote, and more worried about the idiots that negotiate. And we don't hate you, we love you. It's a Damn shame you all didn't hire into the same jobs that we did. yea its a damn shame the guys before you fought for your wage and Union....just like.....no nevermind |
|
|
|
Post by justaworker on Jun 5, 2015 22:44:33 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the idiots that vote, and more worried about the idiots that negotiate. And we don't hate you, we love you. It's a Damn shame you all didn't hire into the same jobs that we did. yea its a damn shame the guys before you fought for your wage and Union....just like.....no nevermind Haha, yeah.. I laughed. But, as you know it's a different marketplace now. But in all seriousness, if you are unhappy now and waiting for September to bring you joyous news you will likely be disappointed. Like I said before, these are the good days. It will be a slow ride downhill beginning soon. |
|
|
|
Post by lap65 on Jun 7, 2015 9:39:12 GMT -5
Ford is getting exactly what they wanted, you are the exception entitled. They have a bunch of young kids working on c crew that only care about cell phone, car & beer money. They complain about not getting paid enough or working overtime yet many of them dont come to work anyway. Unreal the amount of A crew people who worked the last 2 weekends covering for c crew people who didnt show, or who are off for disciplinary action for awols etc.
Ford doesn't care, they will fire them eventually & hire another batch of the same & keep repeating.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 7, 2015 15:06:05 GMT -5
Be cool if the A crew people didn't COVER the kids on c crew then maybe they would realize 2 tier isn't good.As long as the line moves Ford could careless who works..
|
|
|
|
Post by nra4life on Jun 7, 2015 15:19:21 GMT -5
Doubt the company is happy trading a teir 2 pay rate of $17.00 an hour for the legacy rate of $47.66 for C crew. If they dont come to work they will eventually toss them aside & hire someone else.
|
|
|
|
Post by turbo350 on Jun 8, 2015 20:50:07 GMT -5
47.66 an hour for C crew? Where you come up with that. Tier 2's that I talk to are making 19.00 an hour + shift and if you work on C crew you get 10% shift. Keep not coming to work and either 1. They do away with C crew and go back to 90 jph at 5 10 hour days or 2. they'll ship it out to MAP or where they are making the Transit connect that is on the C platform then all the overtime will be gone
|
|
|
|
Post by lap65 on Jun 8, 2015 21:24:55 GMT -5
47.66 an hour for C crew? Where you come up with that. Tier 2's that I talk to are making 19.00 an hour + shift and if you work on C crew you get 10% shift. Keep not coming to work and either 1. They do away with C crew and go back to 90 jph at 5 10 hour days or 2. they'll ship it out to MAP or where they are making the Transit connect that is on the C platform then all the overtime will be gone They are talking about A crew people coming in to cover c crew, making time & a half plus shift premium. I personally don't think Ford cares, they keep firing & hiring new ones & the new ones start over at bottom pay. Virtual reality temps. I think they knew they would attract mostly young people with minimal responsibilties at the 2 tier wage, get what you can out of them, fire em & start over. |
|
|
|
Post by turbo350 on Jun 9, 2015 13:17:18 GMT -5
Really. Even the starting tier 2 wage is better than 90% of the jobs in the Louisville area. If they don't want to work get rid of them. All they are going to do is give us a bad reputation for not wanting to work. I don't blame off crew people coming in for the money because really isn't that what we come in for , the money. That's the only reason I'm there.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 9, 2015 14:59:03 GMT -5
I agree 100% about the money thing,BUT if no one would come in for the asshole Co and they were left block building then maybe they would realize that 2 tier isn't such a good thing?Maybe if they paid what we make they would get a quality employee instead of a typical 20 year old partier?Guarentee I wouldn't have made it in here at 20 yrs old either..I'm sure a lot of us STRAIGHTENED up when we had a family and kids to take care of.Bottom line is it's contract year and you come in to HELP Them OUT??WTF?Yea it's OT but if we go on strike for a extended period and they have all these stock piled units did you really gain anything financially?but that's just my take if you wanna work I see that too,get it while you can.But I'm not.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 18:46:14 GMT -5
Meanwhile management is getting exactly what they want: Us to fight amongst ourselves, the Building Chairman not to have a set of balls and fight the line speed increase and job rebalances, and keeping the new hire list fresh with new meat for those getting fired today and tomorrow.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 18:51:52 GMT -5
Seriously though: How the fuck did our "Elected" officials let this line speed increase and job reduction shit happen?  Every time we increased line speed in days past, we added people, not had them taken away!! WTF??? And now all of management is harassing those that have had shit added to their jobs while nothing is being done by our union to stop this. And the quality has went to the shitter as well. Just as soon as we start running smooth and quality is the best its been since day one, these fucking idiots throw a monkey wrench in the cogs and fuck everything up. Now the shop is loaded with a shit ton of repairs because of the rebalance. Pretty fucking sad. Sorry to hijack this thread. Rant over. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 19:17:31 GMT -5
Makes me feel better about those dues increases.
|
|
