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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 8, 2019 14:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 8, 2019 15:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on Nov 9, 2019 0:08:40 GMT -5
Wow, 1279 yes 170 no at Michigan Assembly. What a bunch of company ass kissing Johnny Good go getters. Same local that miraculously pushed the 2015 contract into fruition 51% to 49%.
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Post by nra4life on Nov 9, 2019 0:19:09 GMT -5
Wow, 1279 yes 170 no at Michigan Assembly. What a bunch of company ass kissing Johnny Good go getters. Same local that miraculously pushed the 2015 contract into fruition 51% to 49%. Believe we are the last, and largest, local to vote. If they have a 3k yes vote cushion before we get to vote iim guessing it will pass. Not a lot of good poker players out there, imagine taking the first offer when your sell your house. Unbelievable |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 3:00:56 GMT -5
shit probably only about half of this local will vote.
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Post by topcannon on Nov 9, 2019 6:31:36 GMT -5
Personally I’m a No on the subject matter and the meetings are nothing more then a bunch of comedians trying to Push it as a “Yes Vote“
People who go to the meetings and come back then actually read the through the contract pages to find their answer to the question they asked... and they wanna push another way. This is why there is little faith. They settled, they didn’t fight for us. An thats apparent, retirees to new hires alike they just said. We’ll move some 0’s some 1’s and make it look like it’s something. But really it’s not s much to be proud of, and sadly the holidays are coming, an there are too many kids in the plant that have no sense of money management... Hell even adults... and drug addicts smh
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Post by jakeiam on Nov 9, 2019 10:42:14 GMT -5
YES!
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Post by bill on Nov 9, 2019 10:55:32 GMT -5
Yes! Cash that check lol
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 11:45:16 GMT -5
If you like no xmas bonus,no awols,less pay at TOP PAY,less in raises,cams watching you,then by all means vote yes.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 9, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 12:37:31 GMT -5
Wish they would find another GLITCH !25 and out at a reduced. Amount .Then it’s yes for me and fuck all others
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 13:31:38 GMT -5
If you like no xmas bonus,no awols,less pay at TOP PAY,less in raises,cams watching you,then by all means vote yes. Who cares about that bonus we're getting $1k put in our TESPHE. I will take that! It should be for everyone tho. Come to work AWOL problem solved! We're getting raises no not as much as we want but I'll take it. Cameras have to be approved by the local & Allen said at the meeting he would not agree to it. Is he lying? Who the fuck knows......I'm voting yes! |
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Post by bill on Nov 9, 2019 13:47:10 GMT -5
Yes! Not gonna get much better deal....who else pays only 3% of their healthcare costs??? Worst yet you might be holding a picket sign with no check coming in, with holidays around the corner!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 14:01:35 GMT -5
If you like no xmas bonus,no awols,less pay at TOP PAY,less in raises,cams watching you,then by all means vote yes. Who cares about that bonus we're getting $1k put in our TESPHE. I will take that! It should be for everyone tho. Come to work AWOL problem solved! We're getting raises no not as much as we want but I'll take it. Cameras have to be approved by the local & Allen said at the meeting he would not agree to it. Is he lying? Who the fuck knows......I'm voting yes! As b4 that’s your opinion.So vote yes.Heres where I stand 1) ford has made billions off this 2 tier bullshit and they’re KEEPING IT ALL 2)Mickey mouse mother fucking Scrooge take a fuckin 250 xmas bonus?( see number 1) 3) change the term of 3,4,3,4 so the 1st is a bonus and not a raise ?( see number 1) 4) I haven’t awoled in 10 yrs BUT when you don’t have any fucking time in you may have to.( see number 1) 5)Cams and A.H. Laughed ???Remember who was for CONCESSIONS???You trust that? 5)The Union prez is under investigation and him and his cronies have left us in the cold?No wonder we never got SHIT till 2015 . |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 14:06:08 GMT -5
Yes! Not gonna get much better deal....who else pays only 3% of their healthcare costs??? Worst yet you might be holding a picket sign with no check coming in, with holidays around the corner! I’ve said this many times.Ive NEVER PAID HEALTHCARE.The years I worked before Ford I paid nothing.Because I have a skilled trade.If you have no skills then you’re screwed.Plus the “free” healthcare isn’t free it’s part of OUR NEGOTIATED BENEFITS .They say we cost them 65 dollars an hour ???Mfer please.If that’s the case give me 60$ an hour and I’ll buy my own.And save them 5$ an hour per person..Media brainwashed people.If Fords pathetic enough to take 250 that used to be 600 away then I’m just as big as an asshole to vote NO |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
You’ve had 4 years to prepare for a strike.If you’re holding a picket sign on xmas eve you should of been ready.Nobody wants a strike EVER.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 9, 2019 14:29:43 GMT -5
Just a thought...... If our Union officials are being investigated and charged with crimes, why isn't someone on Ford's side being investigated and charged with crimes.... Oh I don't know let's say, collusion to influence our elections?
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Post by agslater on Nov 9, 2019 15:13:50 GMT -5
This is gonna be a yes easy. I wqs thinking it would be close but not anymore. The updated votes are a big yes lean
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 15:15:00 GMT -5
Metalman I agree with you for the most part but its gonna come at a cost. Unfortunately these are the times we live in today. American companies have products made in other countries & imported here to sell. I went to the Q & A meeting & they said that's the 1st thing they start at with negotiations is product commitment & go from there. KTP is probably one of the safest plants & none of you all have delt with a plant closing excluding the transfers here. Imagine how the people are feeling at the few plants that IUAW said are on the chopping block if this deal gets voted down. Is it a scare tactic? Maybe maybe not, chances are they'll be on the chopping block next contract. My opinion I don't feel like it's a scare tactic because what everyone wants is gonna come at a cost. Ford is not gonna roll over & give what we all want without getting something back
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 15:23:29 GMT -5
Metalman I agree with you for the most part but its gonna come at a cost. Unfortunately these are the times we live in today. American companies have products made in other countries & imported here to sell. I went to the Q & A meeting & they said that's the 1st thing they start at with negotiations is product commitment & go from there. KTP is probably one of the safest plants & none of you all have delt with a plant closing excluding the transfers here. Imagine how the people are feeling at the few plants that IUAW said are on the chopping block if this deal gets voted down. Is it a scare tactic? Maybe maybe not, chances are they'll be on the chopping block next contract. My opinion I don't feel like it's a scare tactic because what everyone wants is gonna come at a cost. Ford is not gonna roll over & give what we all want without getting something back With the money fords made off the 2 tier pay rate there’s NO REASON to lose a dime..So if the saved 15$ an hour on each new person ,by cheap Mexican and Chinese parts what did they do with that profit?KEPT IT!And have the balls to take a xmas bonus?If they close the plants I do not care!Theres a job somewhere in the Ford system for them.Always has been.Sorry people get relocated but that’s part of life in the auto industry.Dont hate me cause I’ve always worked at KTP.I don’t want too much,all I ask is we don’t LOSE ANYTHING WEVE GAINED |
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Post by bill on Nov 9, 2019 15:30:40 GMT -5
I could care less about a $250 X-mas bonus lol
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 15:35:55 GMT -5
Yep that’s how they get shit.Nobody cared about losing 1 min of break but when you’re 56 and been working 25 yrs it matters.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 15:50:22 GMT -5
Metalman I agree with you for the most part but its gonna come at a cost. Unfortunately these are the times we live in today. American companies have products made in other countries & imported here to sell. I went to the Q & A meeting & they said that's the 1st thing they start at with negotiations is product commitment & go from there. KTP is probably one of the safest plants & none of you all have delt with a plant closing excluding the transfers here. Imagine how the people are feeling at the few plants that IUAW said are on the chopping block if this deal gets voted down. Is it a scare tactic? Maybe maybe not, chances are they'll be on the chopping block next contract. My opinion I don't feel like it's a scare tactic because what everyone wants is gonna come at a cost. Ford is not gonna roll over & give what we all want without getting something back With the money fords made off the 2 tier pay rate there’s NO REASON to lose a dime..So if the saved 15$ an hour on each new person ,by cheap Mexican and Chinese parts what did they do with that profit?KEPT IT!And have the balls to take a xmas bonus?If they close the plants I do not care!Theres a job somewhere in the Ford system for them.Always has been.Sorry people get relocated but that’s part of life in the auto industry.Dont hate me cause I’ve always worked at KTP.I don’t want too much,all I ask is we don’t LOSE ANYTHING WEVE GAINED That's the thing a lot of you all don't care if they close other plants, I do. Yeah chances are higher seniority gets relocated but what about the ones that can't transfer? Or what about the lower seniority at other plants that accepts transfers,then theres a downturn in our industry & lower seniority people get laid off at that plant? It's happened & it will happen again. You all have never experienced it & don't care. All you all do is bitch about the transfers that have come here |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 15:54:43 GMT -5
I’ve NEVER heard of a plant closing and people losing their job PERMANENTLY..Don’t happen.Did you see how GM voted their contract in?KNOWING LORDSTOWN was closing!They don’t give a shit.If we said don’t give us shit but keep our plants open you REALLY THINK THEY WOULD???Fuck no .They were closing these regardless .Only ones I bitch about is LAP.Plant closed for a year to re-tool then opened up but we kept high seniority while they hired new people??WTF ...
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 16:05:08 GMT -5
So from when Ford started closing plants in the early 2000's to present time you think they all retired or transferred? You people really need to get out of this ktp bubble yall are in. Some transferred, some retired, some took a buyout. Thankfully the union was able to negotiate some kind of buyout for people otherwise they would have been just laid off
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 16:06:06 GMT -5
So from when Ford started closing plants in the early 2000's to present time you think they all retired or transferred? You people really need to get out of this ktp bubble yall are in. Some transferred, some retired, some took a buyout. Thankfully the union was able to negotiate some kind of buyout for people otherwise they would have been just laid off Like you just stated NO ONE WAS LAID OFF PERMANENTLY ..This KTP is my MFING home plant.The bubble I’m in ive worked my ass off for.Ill be gone in 3 and could care less what happens to KTP OR FORD |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 16:14:04 GMT -5
People lost their jobs PERMANENTLY, thankfully they got a little bonus before the door hit their ass on the way out
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 16:16:35 GMT -5
People lost their jobs PERMANENTLY, thankfully they got a little bonus before the door hit their ass on the way out Bullshit.Weve always had openings here.Ive known people from every plant in America and Canada.They May have taken a buyout and gave up call back rights.Thats it though.You act you’re the authority on plant closures and lay offs?Come on man .Id take a LAYOFF if I had 28 yrs and they closed my plant too..It’s called early retirement |
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 9, 2019 16:22:38 GMT -5
People lost their jobs PERMANENTLY, thankfully they got a little bonus before the door hit their ass on the way out Bullshit.Weve always had openings here.Ive known people from every plant in America and Canada.They May have taken a buyout and gave up call back rights.Thats it though.You act you’re the authority on plant closures and lay offs?Come on man .Id take a LAYOFF if I had 28 yrs and they closed my plant too..It’s called early retirement Lol whatever you say.....we've always had temps you really think they were offered anything? They didn't even get a buyout. Man I had the same attitude at Norfolk. Transfer came in with more time...etc. 2007 they closed Norfolk & I had to transfer. It definitely opened my eyes to everything |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2019 16:24:50 GMT -5
Bullshit.Weve always had openings here.Ive known people from every plant in America and Canada.They May have taken a buyout and gave up call back rights.Thats it though.You act you’re the authority on plant closures and lay offs?Come on man .Id take a LAYOFF if I had 28 yrs and they closed my plant too..It’s called early retirement Lol whatever you say.....we've always had temps you really think they were offered anything? They didn't even get a buyout. Man I had the same attitude at Norfolk. Transfer came in with more time...etc. 2007 they closed Norfolk & I had to transfer. It definitely opened my eyes to everything Temps are not permanent employees.Temps are Temps period.Im for using seniority to move from a closed facility!When that facility is closed for good. |
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