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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 11, 2019 15:47:30 GMT -5
I don't remember us voting on the same day since I've been here. I honestly don't remember tho maybe we did before
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 15:48:28 GMT -5
Me neither.It will easily pass KTP.
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2019 16:26:40 GMT -5
Found vote results on KCAP webpage. No numbers/totals but only percentages. Kansas City Local 249 Production : 55.45% YES 44.55% NO Skilled Trades: 65.5% YES 34.5% NO They have almost 7k folks in that local. I DONT GET IT! How does only 1/2 the membership turn out to vote?? Same with the Chicago plant.... Do people really thing this is rigged to where whatever they vote its going to pass regardless𤨠Sad Its sad and you can just look at people around you and know there is no way in hell they voted. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 11, 2019 18:54:29 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 18:57:54 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Believe it.56 yr old with 25yrs .Its 11,700-41% =6900.Plus think of all the money Fords KEPT AND HOARDED off the 2 tier pay structure.And they have the balls to take a measly 250 xmas bonus?Greedy fucks.Plus every union member is entitled to their vote. |
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Post by nra4life on Nov 11, 2019 19:04:41 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Not sure where your 12k came from but ok. Your also losing 1k with the doing away with the Christmas time performance bonus. Your also still giving up 1 hour of pay a day by not getting OT after 8 hours like we did prior to âtemporary sacrificesâ during the 2008 downturn. 1 hour a day is 4 hours per week is 208 hours a year multiplied by $30 an hour is $6240 a year times 4 years is $24,960 for the length of the contract. on A&B crew, no telling how much C crew is losing. They take over $25k from you and give you $12k and you canât wait to get. Enjoy it, and God help us when the next downturn comes, because it will, and there isnât much more to give up at this point. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 11, 2019 19:19:22 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Not sure where your 12k came from but ok. Your also losing 1k with the doing away with the Christmas time performance bonus. Your also still giving up 1 hour of pay a day by not getting OT after 8 hours like we did prior to âtemporary sacrificesâ during the 2008 downturn. 1 hour a day is 4 hours per week is 208 hours a year multiplied by $30 an hour is $6240 a year times 4 years is $24,960 for the length of the contract. on A&B crew, no telling how much C crew is losing. They take over $25k from you and give you $12k and you canât wait to get. Enjoy it, and God help us when the next downturn comes, because it will, and there isnât much more to give up at this point. [br The stuff we gave up in 2008 is never coming back. Everybody just needs to accept that. Never getting those give always back especially with the company and union leaders being so cozy. There isnât going to be a down turn in the next 5 years. The booming Trump economy will continue until the socialists finally take over, which will happen eventually. Then itâs anybodyâs guess as to how bad it will get. The Bernie/ Pelosi crowd says it isnât â fairâ that we make $30 hr. while their Antifa street troops are only being paid $15 to block intersections. |
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Post by dieseldawg on Nov 11, 2019 19:24:37 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Not sure where your 12k came from but ok. Your also losing 1k with the doing away with the Christmas time performance bonus. Your also still giving up 1 hour of pay a day by not getting OT after 8 hours like we did prior to âtemporary sacrificesâ during the 2008 downturn. 1 hour a day is 4 hours per week is 208 hours a year multiplied by $30 an hour is $6240 a year times 4 years is $24,960 for the length of the contract. on A&B crew, no telling how much C crew is losing. They take over $25k from you and give you $12k and you canât wait to get. Enjoy it, and God help us when the next downturn comes, because it will, and there isnât much more to give up at this point. Insurance, profit sharing, PTO, paid holidays.. theres always more to give up. Just gotta be thankful for what we still have. Voting NO but it's out of my hands. Can't stress about what we can't control. |
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2019 19:48:14 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Coming from the idiot who said " i gotsta get my money so i can get payed to buy my crack rock". Not to mention how dumb you sound on your other posts. Like I said before you are the idiots that make ford unbearable most of the time. Probably same person who also has fmla, medical, takes 4 20-30 minute breaks a shift, and is overall a lazy worthless employee that if was anywhere outside of union employment would be fired a long time ago. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 19:48:27 GMT -5
Like Iâve stated many times.GOGGLE American workers average hourly rate.27.16 per hr!Ford Is just a decent job.Glad Iâm at the end.These kids are screwed.I really donât have a dog in this fight,except for my belief in wrong and right.After the tomfoolery our union has pulled and the ford family stashing hoards off the common mans sweat itâs a NO ..At least I can say I tried.If the newbies are smart theyâll learn a trade on Fords dime and get out of here
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 11, 2019 20:27:49 GMT -5
We got some real negative Nancies here. Lifeâs good. Your making great money and our product is selling like hotcakes. Weâve never had to move to another plant because ours closed and the future looks bright. We make more than most in an industrial setting makes and have great healthcare and benefits. McDonaldâs is always hiring.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 20:40:19 GMT -5
We got some real negative Nancies here. Lifeâs good. Your making great money and our product is selling like hotcakes. Weâve never had to move to another plant because ours closed and the future looks bright. We make more than most in an industrial setting makes and have great healthcare and benefits. McDonaldâs is always hiring. 27.16 is average..No negativity here.Im done in 3 yrs.Just saying if all you said is true(trucks selling like hot cakes,more money,great insurance etc.) we shouldnât GIVE UP A DIME.WHERE DOES OUR CROOKED UNION OFFICIALS FIT INTO YOUR PLAN? |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 11, 2019 20:42:04 GMT -5
I canât believe that people would vote no on this contract. Weâre getting $ 12,000 for continuing to do the exact same job that youâre doing now. The no votes are probably coming mostly from spoiled millennials whose parents never told them no and made sure they got participation trophies even though their soccer team was 1-16. Coming from the idiot who said " i gotsta get my money so i can get payed to buy my crack rock". Not to mention how dumb you sound on your other posts. Like I said before you are the idiots that make ford unbearable most of the time. Probably same person who also has fmla, medical, takes 4 20-30 minute breaks a shift, and is overall a lazy worthless employee that if was anywhere outside of union employment would be fired a long time ago. The crack rock comment was sarcasm. Guess it went over your head. Not surprising. I take the breaks Iâm contractually entitled to. At least I donât sit outside smoking most of the shift. You only think that I sound dumb because you canât understand my points or youâre a raging triggered liberal. Guaranteed that you couldnât do my job no matter how much training you receive. Oh also. Iâve had many jobs in my life where Iâve always been the best at what I do and have never been fired. Maybe thatâs why I live in a 400,000 dollar home in an exclusive neighborhood |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 11, 2019 20:56:23 GMT -5
Where is the 27.16$ average coming from? Very few make that amount in a manufacturing environment.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 11, 2019 21:00:21 GMT -5
What we gave up in the downturn is never coming back. The time to fight for that was then.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 21:13:01 GMT -5
Where is the 27.16$ average coming from? Very few make that amount in a manufacturing environment. Google it .What does the average American worker make per hour?One says 27.16 the other 24.98 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2019 21:15:08 GMT -5
What we gave up in the downturn is never coming back. The time to fight for that was then. Whatever..I canât forget 11 yrs of no raise.Then give shit up and hear IUAW was bought off while we worked our asses off to help FORD?Really |
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Post by thereandback on Nov 11, 2019 21:39:00 GMT -5
Not sure where your 12k came from but ok. Your also losing 1k with the doing away with the Christmas time performance bonus. Your also still giving up 1 hour of pay a day by not getting OT after 8 hours like we did prior to âtemporary sacrificesâ during the 2008 downturn. 1 hour a day is 4 hours per week is 208 hours a year multiplied by $30 an hour is $6240 a year times 4 years is $24,960 for the length of the contract. on A&B crew, no telling how much C crew is losing. They take over $25k from you and give you $12k and you canât wait to get. Enjoy it, and God help us when the next downturn comes, because it will, and there isnât much more to give up at this point. [br The stuff we gave up in 2008 is never coming back. Everybody just needs to accept that. Never getting those give always back especially with the company and union leaders being so cozy. There isnât going to be a down turn in the next 5 years. The booming Trump economy will continue until the socialists finally take over, which will happen eventually. Then itâs anybodyâs guess as to how bad it will get. The Bernie/ Pelosi crowd says it isnât â fairâ that we make $30 hr. while their Antifa street troops are only being paid $15 to block intersections. Bernie and Warren think it isn't fair that Ford makes so much while only HALF of us make 30 an hour and the half that does hasn't had a real raise through multiple record profit years. You chirp like a rich asshole, but you're really being some rich asshole's puppet. BTW anyone who goes on Medicare, collects Social Sec, calls the Fire Dept or calls the police is benefiting from Socialism. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 11, 2019 22:46:04 GMT -5
[br The stuff we gave up in 2008 is never coming back. Everybody just needs to accept that. Never getting those give always back especially with the company and union leaders being so cozy. There isnât going to be a down turn in the next 5 years. The booming Trump economy will continue until the socialists finally take over, which will happen eventually. Then itâs anybodyâs guess as to how bad it will get. The Bernie/ Pelosi crowd says it isnât â fairâ that we make $30 hr. while their Antifa street troops are only being paid $15 to block intersections. Bernie and Warren think it isn't fair that Ford makes so much while only HALF of us make 30 an hour and the half that does hasn't had a real raise through multiple record profit years. You chirp like a rich asshole, but you're really being some rich asshole's puppet. BTW anyone who goes on Medicare, collects Social Sec, calls the Fire Dept or calls the police is benefiting from Socialism. Wow. That must be one of the most ignorant things Iâve ever heard. When you use municipal services they are paid for by taxes derived from jobs and paychecks. Social security is money that you payed in to the system that you get back in retirement. Socialism is when the government takes your hard earned money and gives it to someone sitting on the couch in his momâs basement playing video games. |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 11, 2019 23:10:35 GMT -5
Wow.
You guys name-calling and bad-mouthing each other shows the limits within your own way of thinking. You both seem so quick to resort to name-calling and the typing of derogatory words towards one another to âshow them whoâs REALLYâ got the truth and understanding.
This thread has been infected by hate. If you cannot read or listen to someoneâs viewpoint that doesnât fully line up with yours without devolving into keyboard cage matches, then you are really just showing the base level mindset that cripples so many people.
These chains of fear and hatred of âthe otherâ whether it be political, religious, ethnic, etc..., keep us bound up from experiencing true community and fellowship. These chains keep us from feeling empathy for one another. These chains tie us down to the past, even though we donât have to live there.
We donât live in a black and white world, where right and wrong, justice and truth, beauty and love are so easily seen and attained. Donât choose to keep yourself bound up for what feels like comfort and normalcy. Be willing to actually listen to people other than what your favorite influence portrays them to be.
Peace be with you.
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Post by since1993 on Nov 12, 2019 5:56:42 GMT -5
Well Stated !!
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Post by agslater on Nov 13, 2019 0:22:02 GMT -5
Wow. You guys name-calling and bad-mouthing each other shows the limits within your own way of thinking. You both seem so quick to resort to name-calling and the typing of derogatory words towards one another to âshow them whoâs REALLYâ got the truth and understanding. This thread has been infected by hate. If you cannot read or listen to someoneâs viewpoint that doesnât fully line up with yours without devolving into keyboard cage matches, then you are really just showing the base level mindset that cripples so many people. These chains of fear and hatred of âthe otherâ whether it be political, religious, ethnic, etc..., keep us bound up from experiencing true community and fellowship. These chains keep us from feeling empathy for one another. These chains tie us down to the past, even though we donât have to live there. We donât live in a black and white world, where right and wrong, justice and truth, beauty and love are so easily seen and attained. Donât choose to keep yourself bound up for what feels like comfort and normalcy. Be willing to actually listen to people other than what your favorite influence portrays them to be. Peace be with you. Nice preacher. Tell this to the people that can dish it out but cant receive it. In case you haven't noticed but this plant is hate hate hate all day. All drama all shit talking behind peoples backs. Its an adult High School and you can figure that out very quickly. |
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Post by agslater on Nov 13, 2019 0:24:01 GMT -5
Coming from the idiot who said " i gotsta get my money so i can get payed to buy my crack rock". Not to mention how dumb you sound on your other posts. Like I said before you are the idiots that make ford unbearable most of the time. Probably same person who also has fmla, medical, takes 4 20-30 minute breaks a shift, and is overall a lazy worthless employee that if was anywhere outside of union employment would be fired a long time ago. The crack rock comment was sarcasm. Guess it went over your head. Not surprising. I take the breaks Iâm contractually entitled to. At least I donât sit outside smoking most of the shift. You only think that I sound dumb because you canât understand my points or youâre a raging triggered liberal. Guaranteed that you couldnât do my job no matter how much training you receive. Oh also. Iâve had many jobs in my life where Iâve always been the best at what I do and have never been fired. Maybe thatâs why I live in a 400,000 dollar home in an exclusive neighborhood You tard liberal!! 400k? Must have a sugar momma or you must manage your money like shit. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 13, 2019 1:43:10 GMT -5
Wow. You guys name-calling and bad-mouthing each other shows the limits within your own way of thinking. You both seem so quick to resort to name-calling and the typing of derogatory words towards one another to âshow them whoâs REALLYâ got the truth and understanding. This thread has been infected by hate. If you cannot read or listen to someoneâs viewpoint that doesnât fully line up with yours without devolving into keyboard cage matches, then you are really just showing the base level mindset that cripples so many people. These chains of fear and hatred of âthe otherâ whether it be political, religious, ethnic, etc..., keep us bound up from experiencing true community and fellowship. These chains keep us from feeling empathy for one another. These chains tie us down to the past, even though we donât have to live there. We donât live in a black and white world, where right and wrong, justice and truth, beauty and love are so easily seen and attained. Donât choose to keep yourself bound up for what feels like comfort and normalcy. Be willing to actually listen to people other than what your favorite influence portrays them to be. Peace be with you. Let me guess you have your hair in a man bun and have a COEXIST bumper sticker on your Prius. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Nov 13, 2019 1:45:38 GMT -5
The crack rock comment was sarcasm. Guess it went over your head. Not surprising. I take the breaks Iâm contractually entitled to. At least I donât sit outside smoking most of the shift. You only think that I sound dumb because you canât understand my points or youâre a raging triggered liberal. Guaranteed that you couldnât do my job no matter how much training you receive. Oh also. Iâve had many jobs in my life where Iâve always been the best at what I do and have never been fired. Maybe thatâs why I live in a 400,000 dollar home in an exclusive neighborhood You tard liberal!! 400k? Must have a sugar momma or you must manage your money like shit. Youâre probably one of those transfers who still rents an apartment after 20 years at Ford or you are a local with only 160 more payments on your double wide. |
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Post by thereandback on Nov 13, 2019 3:15:57 GMT -5
Bernie and Warren think it isn't fair that Ford makes so much while only HALF of us make 30 an hour and the half that does hasn't had a real raise through multiple record profit years. You chirp like a rich asshole, but you're really being some rich asshole's puppet. BTW anyone who goes on Medicare, collects Social Sec, calls the Fire Dept or calls the police is benefiting from Socialism. Wow. That must be one of the most ignorant things Iâve ever heard. When you use municipal services they are paid for by taxes derived from jobs and paychecks. Social security is money that you payed in to the system that you get back in retirement. Socialism is when the government takes your hard earned money and gives it to someone sitting on the couch in his momâs basement playing video games. Socialism is when there is no privately owned property or business. Everyone owns everything and the govt becomes the manager of the entire country's means of production, distribution and trade. It doesn't work for the same reason Capitalism becomes unfair and unbalanced. Human beings given that much power become selfish and greedy for more so they rig the rules in their favor. I realize SS, Med, FD&PD aren't technically Socialism, but they're an example of how the concept is supposed to work. My problem is the blurring of facts. As much as some candidates and current politicians may propose massive govt programs, that's still not Socialism. As for taxes, you and I could both hit the lottery tomorrow and in the end our combined lifetime tax bills would still not equal the amount of $ that was just given away (eventually) to Ukraine (a bipartisan decision made by Congress). If your problem is someone in their Mom's basement or "Welfare Queens", I think you're letting yourself be distracted from who really has their hand in our pockets and what they're really doing with the money. |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 13, 2019 4:59:32 GMT -5
Wow. You guys name-calling and bad-mouthing each other shows the limits within your own way of thinking. You both seem so quick to resort to name-calling and the typing of derogatory words towards one another to âshow them whoâs REALLYâ got the truth and understanding. This thread has been infected by hate. If you cannot read or listen to someoneâs viewpoint that doesnât fully line up with yours without devolving into keyboard cage matches, then you are really just showing the base level mindset that cripples so many people. These chains of fear and hatred of âthe otherâ whether it be political, religious, ethnic, etc..., keep us bound up from experiencing true community and fellowship. These chains keep us from feeling empathy for one another. These chains tie us down to the past, even though we donât have to live there. We donât live in a black and white world, where right and wrong, justice and truth, beauty and love are so easily seen and attained. Donât choose to keep yourself bound up for what feels like comfort and normalcy. Be willing to actually listen to people other than what your favorite influence portrays them to be. Peace be with you. Nice preacher. Tell this to the people that can dish it out but cant receive it. In case you haven't noticed but this plant is hate hate hate all day. All drama all shit talking behind peoples backs. Its an adult High School and you can figure that out very quickly. Iâm fully aware of the overarching attitude and demeanor of the plant. Unfortunately, I agree with your âhigh schoolâ comment. Those attitudes are toxic and can be overwhelming if youâre not aware of them. One can easily be swept up it it as well. Iâm simply trying to point it out for what it is as I attempt to make a stand against the tide. |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 13, 2019 5:42:57 GMT -5
Wow. You guys name-calling and bad-mouthing each other shows the limits within your own way of thinking. You both seem so quick to resort to name-calling and the typing of derogatory words towards one another to âshow them whoâs REALLYâ got the truth and understanding. This thread has been infected by hate. If you cannot read or listen to someoneâs viewpoint that doesnât fully line up with yours without devolving into keyboard cage matches, then you are really just showing the base level mindset that cripples so many people. These chains of fear and hatred of âthe otherâ whether it be political, religious, ethnic, etc..., keep us bound up from experiencing true community and fellowship. These chains keep us from feeling empathy for one another. These chains tie us down to the past, even though we donât have to live there. We donât live in a black and white world, where right and wrong, justice and truth, beauty and love are so easily seen and attained. Donât choose to keep yourself bound up for what feels like comfort and normalcy. Be willing to actually listen to people other than what your favorite influence portrays them to be. Peace be with you. Let me guess you have your hair in a man bun and have a COEXIST bumper sticker on your Prius. Youâd be wrong on ALL fronts. Donât always trust your assumptions and preconceived judgement. |
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 13, 2019 9:25:46 GMT -5
Wow. That must be one of the most ignorant things Iâve ever heard. When you use municipal services they are paid for by taxes derived from jobs and paychecks. Social security is money that you payed in to the system that you get back in retirement. Socialism is when the government takes your hard earned money and gives it to someone sitting on the couch in his momâs basement playing video games. Socialism is when there is no privately owned property or business. Everyone owns everything and the govt becomes the manager of the entire country's means of production, distribution and trade. Ummm... no. That would be Communism. The [Democratic] Socialist nations of Scandinavia all have privately owned business and property. |
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Post by thereandback on Nov 13, 2019 10:33:27 GMT -5
Socialism is when there is no privately owned property or business. Everyone owns everything and the govt becomes the manager of the entire country's means of production, distribution and trade. Ummm... no. That would be Communism. The [Democratic] Socialist nations of Scandinavia all have privately owned business and property. Fair enough. Some consider them the same. Some see Socialism as economic theory and Comm as political/government and some Soc as a bridge towards Comm. However you see it, it ain't happening in America. Can't imagine it ever will. My point is that when any attempt to get a grip on the crooked excesses of Capitalism are demonized and fought against by calling it Socialism, we're heading in the wrong direction. |
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