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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:39:34 GMT -5
LOL, you called me a liar, a suck-ass, and a shitstain, but when I give it right back to you you cry "Personal attacks now?" Typical person who can dish it out but can't take it. Yea, I guess I did. Late nights at work will make you tired. Either way I know for a fact now that you are an appointed POS suck ass. Only if you believe other peoples bullshit as much as you believe your own, LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about.  If you KNOW this for a FACT then you have zero credibility at this point. You my friend are the one who is a liar. Boldfaced. And liars absolutely cannot be trusted. Although, I would love to have one of those appointed positions. But you wouldn't because you're hardcore right?... |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:38:19 GMT -5
maybe we should have a poll to see if we think he is a scumbag? Yes he/she is. This is the person that sits in the front row of every UAW meeting and claps their hands every time one of the almighty speak. This is the type of person that has divided the UAW and will only keep making matters worse. Because of trash like this, this is why I would vote for Kentucky to be a right to work state and I never would of said this 10 years ago when the union workers were the definition of Solidarity. . But scum like the OP have tarnished everything the UAW stands for. I'll comment on some of your points: 1. Haven't been to a union meeting in a while and never clap or sit in front, nor think anyone is almighty. You're wrong on that one. 2. I believe in us all being equals and not divided like we are by 2-tier. You are the divisive one. You're wrong on that one too. 3. Being called trash by someone whos forum name is analspasm is extremely ironic. And you're incorrect on that one as well. 4. Supporting right-to-work legislation is anti-union and anti-worker, which fits perfectly with the rest of your logic. This is shameful. Folks like you who personally attack other people but then cry when they give it back are pathetic. Don't dish it out if you can't take it twitchy anus |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:25:36 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)The prideful UAW originals would be disgusted to see folks like you contribute to the destruction of our solidarity. Workers who stick together and look out for each other deserve a raise. People like you who don't give a crap about anyone but yourself don't deserve a raise, or any other benefit that you've gained on the backs of the old timers who looked out for each other. Put that in your pipe and smoke it twitchy anus. Personal attacks now? Yep, Just another UAW suck ass. Probably an appointed position. LOL, you called me a liar, a suck-ass, and a shitstain, but when I give it right back to you you cry "Personal attacks now?" Typical person who can dish it out but can't take it. |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 1:58:04 GMT -5
His poll was essentially, would you give up a 3% raise so I can get a 33% raise. Lol How would I get a 33% raise? LOL I'm NOT a new hire people. I made 75k last year I can afford to strengthen our union and solidarity. Keep the "gimme-mine to hell with everyone else" in mind when you need those new hires years from now. Don't ever complain about the "union" when you don't even believe in being united yourself. The "union" that you wish was stronger is just going to get weaker and weaker precisely because of the lack of unity and the "me myself and I" mentality that you and so many other people have shared for years. And when the union is broken and the new hires are older and resent the retirees we'll all pay for it, and that includes you unfortunately. I want whats best for all of us for the long haul. I'm good with my money and should be fine anyway. Best of luck to the rest of you. Without solidarity we have no union. That's not the elected officials fault. It's yours. Sadly, way too many workers don't seem to understand solidarity. How can you expect, even demand, that the organization do so much more for members who could care less for the guy working next to them. It's insanely hypocritical for someone to complain about the union not caring about the workers when the person complaining couldn't give a squat about them either. The mentality seems to be "It's all about me, gimme mine!" while the guy next to you makes half as much, no pension, and is doing the same, if not harder, work. And don't gimme that "They gotta pay their dues!" crap. We got to top pay in 3 years. Anyone hired before the 1993 contract got it in 18 months. The new hires will pay their dues alright, and much less pay and with a much more perilous future. Don't expect them to forget if we didn't have their backs when payback time rolls around. So much for solidarity. |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 0:56:51 GMT -5
Why is this an either/or question? We should demand both a raise for the Legacy employees and elimination of 2 tier. Yeah, one has nothing to do with the other. May not even be a ford employee that started this. If either were to be even the least bit considered it would almost certainly preclude the adoption of the other. This is how one has to do with the other. And I hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but Ford doesn't give a crap what we demand if they know we aren't united. Trust me, the company is very much united. |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 0:52:59 GMT -5
Hey folks, I clicked on Machination's name to look up his profile and he just registered 15 hours ago. I smell a rat. Theres a spot on the left under people's names that shows how many posts we have made. I had made 9 when you cleverly looked up my profile to try to determine how new it was. Good job! |
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 0:13:20 GMT -5
I'm a monstrous horrible person who points out the obvious in things that relate to fairness and long term solidarity and benefit for all in way so obvious that it tricks people into thinking I was not-so-cleverly baiting and that they are clever enough to discover it. "Yeah, pretty shitty little person. Doubt it's a ford employee." - You are incorrect on both points. This is not factual. Well you are obviously a 2nd tier employee then with bad figures because what we gave up WAS WAY MORE THAN YOUR GOD DAMMED POCKET CHANGE FIGURE!So go back and tally up all the fucking money that has been taken from the legacy workers then get back to us. If anyone was to trust something as fucking stupid as that shit then they need to be in a mental institute. Seriously! You're obviously someone who's wrong a lot. And my figure was correct. You sound very anti-union and very pro-self. Sorry analspasm but I'm not tallying anything for you. If you can't figure out for yourself what a 3% raise would equal after taxes then I can't help you. I want more money too. Everyone does. Try to see the big picture, instead of having a spastic anus. |
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 20:31:41 GMT -5
For me, I have to see hourly raises, return of COLA, time and a half on C crew Saturdays, end of 2 tier, and return of retiree Christmas bonus to begin with, or its an automatic NO. After that, Id like to see some matching by the co for everyones tesphe. Id like to see the minute back on our hourly break. These are all things that I think we as the rank and file have EARNED, by our sacrifices to help the co out in dark times. Its what is right. Id also like to see a system of self policing by the hourly employees put into effect. Set up a court, and handle violations in house using a point system to penalize offending workers. And for each violation we could take some pay away for the violations, like -.50 for any grown ass man\woman sucking on a chrome dildo, er I mean e-cig on the plant floor. you look like a douche. -.50 for any adult over the age of 21 wearing ear gauges. Our greatest generation didn't die on the beaches on D-Day so you could look like a circus freak at work. Show some respect. -.25 For neck tattoos, just because. -.50 For sagging pants. Again, youre an adult, and you know that's a prison thing advertising for companionship, right? -1.00 For any new hire wearing a Class of 2013, shirt. The majority of us are old and worn out. We don't need to be reminded of it. Although I agree in principle with some of your points, there are some other violations that should be considered as well. -.50 for rednecks (or anyone, but it's mostly rednecks) who pretend to know what they're talking about and like to boast when in truth they don't have any idea what the hell they're talking about, but are firm enough in their ignorance that they manage to convince other people of the validity of their bullshit. They don't know that we know who they are. -.75 for people who complain loudly about any particular contract book (That book there is worthless!) when they've never actually read it and are directly, presently benefitting greatly from any particular part of it, while they're dismissing it. It's just ridiculous. non violation: +.50 for people who complain loudly about a particular aspect of the contract after having read and properly understood said aspect, and do so articulately so the rest of us know what the hell you're talking about. (Not +.75 because people should be penalized more for stupidity than rewarded for what they should already know.) -.50 for people who help bosses work (they aren't supposed to work, there are good reasons for this...) -.50 for people who have worked here 10+ years and dont know one or more of the following: How much break time they get, whether per hour, or for working any number of hours, which would involve calculation (5xH). That working holidays isn't mandatory...... That we get a bonus every June under the current contract. That means next June too...But not necessarily the one after that... That you should be able to know what time 9.3, 10.2, or 10.6 translates into within 5 seconds. How to easily get a copy of every volume of the contract so you dont have to be at the mercy of others for information (see 1st penalty above). -1.00 for people who have worked here 20+ years and dont know one or more of the above. I mean, seriously. Before anybody's belt buckles start spinning, I'm just kidding. About the pay penalty. |
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 19:58:16 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty shitty little person. Doubt it's a ford employee. I'm a monstrous horrible person who points out the obvious in things that relate to fairness and long term solidarity and benefit for all in way so obvious that it tricks people into thinking I was not-so-cleverly baiting and that they are clever enough to discover it. "Yeah, pretty shitty little person. Doubt it's a ford employee." - You are incorrect on both points. This is not factual. |
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 19:49:48 GMT -5
Irrelevant question, one doesn't have anything to do with the other. Might as well ask if we would be willing to give up insurance if it created more rainbows. I doubt we'll get a raise or elimination of 2-tier. It was a hypothetical question to gauge opinions if this came up as a sort of compromise during negotiations. It's hardly irrelevant since it's about 2 HUGE issues of interest to the membership, which will no doubt at least be mentioned during negotiations; would be naïve and obstinately cynical to believe otherwise. If either were to be even the least bit considered it would almost certainly preclude the adoption of the other. This is how one has to do with the other. |
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 19:45:01 GMT -5
Why is this an either/or question? We should demand both a raise for the Legacy employees and elimination of 2 tier. I doubt we'll get a raise or elimination of 2-tier. It was a hypothetical question to gauge opinions if this came up as a sort of compromise during negotiations. I think it's unlikely we'll get either, but there is NO WAY we would get both. We could demand valet parking for gate 0 too but its not going to happen. |
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 9:34:50 GMT -5
click the poll button to vote
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 9:28:35 GMT -5
Click the poll button to vote
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 9:27:51 GMT -5
Would you, as a Legacy worker, support not getting a base-pay raise for the entirety of the next contract if it meant that we could eliminate the two-tier pay system and gain pensions for current and future new hires? With the elimination of "two-tier" their pay could start at/move to 70% of our pay and increase 5%/year until it reaches ours in 3 years, just like it was for us since the 1993 contract when it changed from 18 months. They also don't currently get pensions. TPT's and LTS's would remain unchanged like they always have been. This change would apply to fully hired employees under two-tier.
I hired in at KTP in 1995 on the old heavy truck chassis lines building F800s and school buses.
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Post by machination on Dec 9, 2014 9:21:54 GMT -5
Would you, as a Legacy worker, support not getting a base-pay raise for the entirety of the next contract if it meant that we could eliminate the two-tier pay system and gain pensions for current and future new hires? With the elimination of "two-tier" their pay could start at/move to 70% of our pay and increase 5%/year until it reaches ours in 3 years, just like it was for us since the 1993 contract when it changed from 18 months. They also don't currently get pensions. TPT's and LTS's would remain unchanged like they always have been. This change would apply to fully hired employees under two-tier.
I hired in at KTP in 1995 on the old heavy truck chassis lines building F800s and school buses.
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