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Post by machination on Jan 25, 2018 21:25:58 GMT -5
They're going to pay me until I die. No buyout during active, and no pension buyout for me. Keep those checks coming. I hope I live to be 120. Show me the money.
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Post by machination on Jan 25, 2018 21:22:28 GMT -5
Whatever happens the local news media will make sure the public hates us, but if they were getting the money it would be totally ok and well deserved. After all, people who work in the air conditioning all day sitting on their asses in an office chair playing on their computers certainly deserve more than us, right?
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Post by machination on Jan 18, 2018 19:26:02 GMT -5
I couldn't read all that. You should have broken it up into specific points seperated into clear paragraphs, like we learned in grade school. It hurt my eyes and brain trying to read that mega-monoparagraph. You really need to work on your writing skills, because that sucked.
That being said, the left, specifically the Democratic party, obviously isn't our friend. All they care about is virtue signalling, kissing ass, pandering, and destruction of everything that hinders them. They tacitly support and encourage lawlessness, civil unrest, racial discord, character destruction, and social disorder. They make me sick.
See how I did that?
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Post by machination on Jan 16, 2018 22:55:25 GMT -5
The Blizzard of 1978 hit the Ford Lorain Assembly Plant at about 5:30 am as the day shift was arriving to start at 6:00 am. Virtually everyone came to work that morning. Yet anyone who turned on the radio knew what was coming as news reports from points west detailed the massive storm that was approaching. Ford did not cancel production that morning.
When the assembly line was finally stopped at 10:00 am and the employees released to return to their homes it was too late. No one was able to leave the parking lot. In fact, teams were formed to rescue people who became lost in the company parking lot in whiteout conditions. No one left the plant for almost 3 days.
From the Akron-Beacon Journal, January 21, 2008:
I actually heard some 2 year guy ask if they were going to let us off early before the storm hit the other day. We were like "what the fuck for?". He said so we can get home safely.... These kids are funny with their warm fuzzy bullshit ideas of the compassion of global industry. |
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Post by machination on Jan 12, 2018 14:19:51 GMT -5
Is Ford going to shut down for the weather today? This has to be a troll of sorts. Ford never shuts down for weather. Several times the KY governor has declared a state of emergency, demanding that all vehicles stay off the roads except for emergency vehicles. Ford still expected you to get to work. Ford does not close, ever. |
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Post by machination on Jan 8, 2018 17:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 22:20:00 GMT -5
Many years ago at KTP a person could be medically placed on a job bumping a person with up to 2 years more seniority, I saw it happen, but it's been changed since then. I know of someone else years later who did not get bumped because he had more time than the medical person, but it was less than 2 years. So that, at least, has been gone for some time. Now I believe they have to have more seniority flat out. As far as medicals bumping other medicals, I can't see them getting bumped off the JOB and told to find another one, but I could see them getting ROLLED to another shift to do the SAME job if they had less seniority. That's plausible. I don't believe that there is specific language on that, so it would likely have to be worked out between the Medical Dept., the Union, and Labor Relations.
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 9:18:37 GMT -5
toddstang is probably correct that the procedure is different at LAP. It is different in other UAW/Ford assembly plants. It is a matter of each local contract. Anyone who transfers to KTP will tell you that things are different elsewhere. This is the KTP forum. And I would be very surprised if the medical placement procedure at the other unit in our local would allow medicals to bump medicals. Neither the company nor the union would want to have to manage that much bs, and it would be fundamentally unfair to people who are legitimately hurt. The purpose of the procedure is to give someone hurt the opportunity to keep working on a job they can do. Bumping each other would effectively double the amount of people trying to get placed then re-placed and so on. I don't buy it. If that's how it is at LAP, one of them should post a pic here of the page. |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 1:24:49 GMT -5
Yes you can. Within 2 years of seniority. It is written in our local agreement. No you cannot. Our Local Agreement, on pages 63 & 64, Job Placement Procedure/Guidelines: "Restricted employees should not replace other restricted or permanently medically placed employees already on the job."
Once again seniority goes by the wayside. Thought so. This is another example of someone declaring something to be true without examining the facts, then the facts confirm that the declarer is full of shit. Pay attention new people. You'll see this your entire career here. Read the contract. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2017 5:38:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain that you cannot bump a medically placed person by getting yourself medically placed while having more seniority. If this is in the local agreement please post a pic of this so we can see the language. Once someone is medically placed that's it, they're on that job period. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by machination on Nov 8, 2017 19:01:04 GMT -5
It is different now than it was a decade ago and was different then than it was a decade before that. Shower us with more of your new hire wisdom, inform us who've worked here a quarter century and lived thru multiple changes that this place changes. D-D-D-DumbAsS young man or old fool, either way! LMAO
And Darth Bullshit, picturing you rapid firing middle-fingers in real life had me cracking up! Just saying 
Can we CROWN a new Darth Bullshit now?Maybe my run is up...Let THE TRUTH take over... There will never be another Darth Bullshit. |
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Post by machination on Nov 8, 2017 13:39:17 GMT -5
thetruth1 is probably a legacy worker who just successfully trolled the shit out of the thread. Good work!
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Post by machination on Nov 7, 2017 19:45:25 GMT -5
Well ex-metalman your a keeper, bet your friends and family really love you for who you are.Thanks for letting us all know you have only 500k in retirement. And who cares about spell check its getting you going so you understand it. This is exactly the attitude and mentality that we all know and hate..so you're better than everyone else..you used the 90s dates to try to gain support from others..do you want us against them? Skills, what electrician for Ford..pipe fitter, welder? In the real money world all this is frowned on as labor work..grease monkeys.Try and humble yourself and quit putting the new guys and gals down. And for the person who had all the technical info about the tiers are you kidding..time will tell..NOTICE..KTP is changing, in a decade it will be different..All of us are here at KTP for a reason, i was part of the bubble burst and recession luckily my home and kids education were paid for already..i made a great living. I am re-inviting myself . 
It is different now than it was a decade ago and was different then than it was a decade before that. Shower us with more of your new hire wisdom, inform us who've worked here a quarter century and lived thru multiple changes that this place changes. D-D-D-DumbAsS young man or old fool, either way! LMAO
And Darth Bullshit, picturing you rapid firing middle-fingers in real life had me cracking up! Just saying
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Post by machination on Nov 7, 2017 19:42:05 GMT -5
Copy that. You definitely said what you meant. Answering a question about the aforementioned chassis-cab issue with an ambiguous:
"It's just an order bank. Numbers reported."
Wow thanks for clearing that up with a non-answer. But at least you meant it that way.
So was I correct in stating that changing the max involuntary time was only to defer the inevitable moving of chassis cabs for another year? Because that would have been an unambiguous answer that would put it to rest.
So you said what you meant alright, which was to not answer the damned question. I am not an elected member of the union. I'm Just a grunt that found the information and passed it along. I cannot answer questions I know nothing about. Why don't you volunteer your time to find the answer since it is so pressing to you. I will be waiting for your answer. I volunteer enough of my time with this stuff. (And it has always been voluntary only) I appreciate the info you do provide Tony. I was just giving you a hard time |
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Post by machination on Nov 6, 2017 17:31:03 GMT -5
Correct beenaround. Machination, ya’ll have got the local union you deserve. I guess I just haven't really had any major problems the 25 years I've been here. By all means, if you guys could make the local better then get elected. I'm all for improving things if improvement is possible. But that's the key. Have to put your money where your mouth is. Articulately explain during your campaigns specifically what improvements you will be able to implement once elected. Then do it. Otherwise, it's just more talk, and there's plenty of that in here. |
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Post by machination on Nov 6, 2017 13:28:05 GMT -5
I am a legacy hourly employee and I will tell you this: A salaried employee visiting from MAP told me he thought it was remarkable how compliant the local union is at KTP. He said it ain’t like that up in Michigan. I told him that every transfer to this plant says the same thing but that no one from here believes them. And I know the local leadership itself denies being softer than other UAW locals. Yet we have transfers from all over the country because their "tough" locals couldn't manage to keep those peoples jobs for them. So they get to come to KTP instead of starving in the cheese line. Funny how that's working out ain't it? If the transfers think their locals were better for them then they should go back to where they came from....oh wait that's right they don't have a job there anymore. Guess their local wasn't so good after all huh |
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Post by machination on Nov 6, 2017 5:04:47 GMT -5
First off, who knew i would get so much reaction. Ccrew is new and we get the legacy point of view..there will be no bread lines for anyone either bc no ones going anywhere. Xmas bonus, and profit sharing right around the corner, both will be the same amount as legacy except i put the entire amount into 401k so there a lil better tax issue because my family dorsnt need the money at this time. As for legacy bucking mgmt plaeeeeze! Ive never seen so much name dropping and ass kissing from union men and women..These Ccrew crack babies,meth heads, heroin addicts could give a rats ass about mgmt or legacy..those of us caught in between you all get all the bs..On time, never miss days, know 30 jobs on the line and care about the quality of work..Time in doesnt make you better, the reason its all the way it is including, wages,ccrew,mgmt, quality and the state of the union is bc of legacy..you all have rolled over so much in the last two decades..Ford runs the plant now with 3 teirs and duhh vision..when they offer the buyout take it dont hesitate, you will still be able to tell people that you worked at Ford..lol Over-generalizations, exaggerations, selective judgements, excessive belief in your own bullshit, all typical symptoms of an overconfident cocky new kid who obviously has no idea what the fuck he's talking about, LOL And C crew isn't new. Body and paint have had C crew for 20 years. And we don't have 3 tiers you dumb shit. We have the same division of wage progression towards top pay plus temps that we've had for over 25 years not counting the brief period of 2-tier which was corrected in the last agreement, just with a different time scale for the progression and instead of firing and rehiring "89-day people" now we call them sts or lts and don't fire them after 89 days. That's actually an improvement for them from the old way. So stfu and go have some cookies and milk you dumb shit, LOL |
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Post by machination on Nov 3, 2017 16:53:03 GMT -5
BTW, C-crew quality is shit.... That's fine but where though? LOL I really am curious. Shit metal from stamping? Less stock parts going to shop? |
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Post by machination on Nov 3, 2017 8:29:11 GMT -5
I did not imply a damned thing. I said what I meant.
Copy that. You definitely said what you meant. Answering a question about the aforementioned chassis-cab issue with an ambiguous:
"It's just an order bank. Numbers reported."
Wow thanks for clearing that up with a non-answer. But at least you meant it that way.
So was I correct in stating that changing the max involuntary time was only to defer the inevitable moving of chassis cabs for another year? Because that would have been an unambiguous answer that would put it to rest.
So you said what you meant alright, which was to not answer the damned question. |
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Post by machination on Nov 2, 2017 18:12:22 GMT -5
He does have a point TonyV. And I don't recall the union offering a satisfactory explanation for why this happened the way it did. Or does the union believe that people who don't attend the meetings don't deserve an explanation, which is the VAST MAJORITY of the dues paying members.
If that is the case, and I KNOW that it is among some union officials just from listening to various committeemen, think about this: How would the the union fare if only the hundred people who attended the meetings kept paying dues and everyone else stopped? Seems to me that the OCEAN of people on the floor who don't attend the meetings are more deserving of an explanation than the droplets who go to the meetings, since they would be the first ones to rip up their cards since right-to-be-a-leech passed, am I right? Think about that then let us know about that chassis-cab thing.
So you eliminate the source of information? It's just an order bank. Numbers reported. Always verify your sources of information also. Then feel free to call the union out at the meeting if they are in fact lying. That is the correct venue for just that. I'd rather see their face and watch their expressions personally. Personally, I think it's important for the union officials to clear up any prevalent misperceptions that exist on the floor if they are in fact misperceptions. I could be mistaken but I believe your above post is implying that the chassis-cab issue was misunderstood on the floor.
The belief among many people is that the union agreed to waive the section of the agreement limiting our maximum involuntary working hours in a day of 10.7 in order to work us 11 instead, on condition that the chassis cab production would stay at our plant instead of moving to Ohio. Then after a year or so of this it moved to Ohio anyway.
If the union officials would have made clear to everyone that this arrangement was only to defer the inevitable movement of production to Ohio for another year, instead of preventing it's movement entirely, then there wouldn't be so many people believing that something fishy happened after chassis cab production left anyway. Clarity would have squashed this from the beginning, if it was in fact a misperception.
The implication that the dues payers who don't go to the union meetings, which is the vast majority of the membership, don't deserve a clear explanation on the floor when some clarity on a particular issue is apparently needed, really makes it look like the union has some disdain for this vast majority of members. A simple flier handed out by the committeemen would be sufficient to remedy this. When meeting attendance isn't as high as the leadership would like it's still important to make sure everyone else gets clear information on the floor.
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Post by machination on Nov 2, 2017 15:46:46 GMT -5
Which departments are you referring to that have lower quality coming from C Crew? And why is this the case? The jobs are pretty straight forward. You either do them or you don't. Is the shop in final having to pick up a lot of what people have missed? Are the presses in stamping suddenly acting differently after a shift change? Are the metal finishers missing stuff and paint is hollering? Could you be more specific? Or is this just a "fuck C Crew" thread now?
And even if this was true the company isn't going to just give up, throw in the towel, and tearfully explain that "oh gosh shareholders we just can't fix anything right and are just going to cut plant production by a third because we're too scared of the big bad mean old sloppy ass C Crew workers and ran out of 4600s" or some shit. Gtfo with that stupid nonsense. If quality needs an injection then it's ball breaking time across the line, and the company has a lot more experience crushing nuts when necessary than the new hires have at letting every feeble rumor shake their hearts. |
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Post by machination on Nov 2, 2017 15:32:30 GMT -5
I didnt buy a new vehicle but those who did they bought Ford vehicles. I see people on here worried about those who did..get over yourself..most of these 18-20year olds are some second gen Ford babies living at your house anyway so they will be fine. At least they support the brand..Also the world was spinning before Ford and will after Ford.The model is to get rid of as many legacy employees that they feel are overpaid and grow in the progression employees through the downturn. As for quality,men lie,women lie but the numbers dont lie, Ccrew is killing it..Management hates legacy because they are hard to work with.Nothing last forever, take the buyout whenever they offer it..retire go away..oh I forgot working on second Ford marriage, 3 kids, you cant..quit trying to scare people..Fact is Ford would rather have progression than a tired old functional alcoholic legacy employee..it will all run without you believe me. LOL |
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Post by machination on Oct 31, 2017 15:03:48 GMT -5
Go to our local union for accurate factual information? Really? I'll never forget that our local agreed to allow the company to schedule daily overtime beyond the contractual agreement and told the membership the extra-contractual concession was to prevent some of our Super Duty chassis cab production from being outsourced. At the same time those in the know were aware that part of our chassis cab production being sent to OHAP was a DONE DEAL. Just saying.... He does have a point TonyV. And I don't recall the union offering a satisfactory explanation for why this happened the way it did. Or does the union believe that people who don't attend the meetings don't deserve an explanation, which is the VAST MAJORITY of the dues paying members.
If that is the case, and I KNOW that it is among some union officials just from listening to various committeemen, think about this: How would the the union fare if only the hundred people who attended the meetings kept paying dues and everyone else stopped? Seems to me that the OCEAN of people on the floor who don't attend the meetings are more deserving of an explanation than the droplets who go to the meetings, since they would be the first ones to rip up their cards since right-to-be-a-leech passed, am I right? Think about that then let us know about that chassis-cab thing.
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Post by machination on Oct 25, 2017 22:01:33 GMT -5
Lets suppose on any given day body shop averages 70 jph, for the sake of example:
Total for the week if tagging: 8,400 units ((70jph x 40 hours) x 3 crews)
Total for the week if massing: 7,692 units (((70jph x 36 hours) + (11jph x 4 hours)) x 3 crews)
This lowers production by 708 units per WEEK.
If mass break is made permanent AND a shift is eliminated, production will fall by 2,564 units per WEEK.
If they go back to relieving AND a shift is eliminated, production will fall by 2,800 units per WEEK.
Trimming production a little by mass relieving from time to time is not on its own an indication that a shift is about to be eliminated. Body has done it before, is doing it now, and will do it again. And has had 3 shifts for 19 years. At 70jph LINE SPEED, mass relieving effectively lowers average daily production to 64.1jph.
"Oh yeah? Well we're gonna go back to traditional shifts I bet!" Not so fast.
Going back to around the clock 8 hour shifts results in the same levels of production at 40 hours per week, IF 70 jph can be maintained, which it will not because maintenance will not be able to work on equipment in between shifts. The only time they would be able to, without losing production, would be on the weekend. The average jph would end up being much lower than even the mass relief average of 64.1.
The slight up front cost savings from going back to 3 traditional shifts would be reversed by this maintenance work that could have otherwise been done between shifts with a minimal loss in production, which would instead have to be worked on DURING production if they couldn't wait until the weekend. Body shop already went thru this the last time they went back to traditionals, which was only done because of the economic collapse anyway. Production suffered. And going to 2 shifts would cost the plant nearly 3 thousand units per week.
However, this is the auto industry, so you new people should be basing your budgets on 40 hours, no overtime, no shift premiums. Because you never know.
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Post by machination on Oct 22, 2017 8:22:21 GMT -5
Only Ccrew can shoot their self in the foot with Awols and quality. C crew exists because its required for production. They aren't going to sacrifice an entire shift's worth of production because of some awols, and quality issues get repaired. Most of the people on C crew are there by choice for the money. B Crew is the shift for people who don't have choices, ergo more likely to have intractable awol problems. I'd like to see the data showing that quality and attendance is so bad on C crew that it would warrant reducing plant production that drastically. Sounds like bullshit to me, sorry. |
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Post by machination on Oct 21, 2017 6:25:50 GMT -5
Well body shop has had 3 shifts since around 1998 iirc. Sometimes it was traditional, sometimes it was aws. The only time it went down to 2 WORKING shifts was during the rolling layoffs 8-9 years ago, and even then the extra shift stayed on the rolls and covered one of the others when it was their turn to be laid off. So body at least has had 3 shifts on payroll for 19 years.
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Post by machination on Oct 13, 2017 6:54:58 GMT -5
Must be why they decided to extend A-plan to aunts,uncles, nieces, and nephews. Perhaps they have lost sales. "“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick said when asked to explain his protest" Does anyone know what all this oppression is? I'm out and about all day sometimes and see blacks and whites shopping in the same stores, spending money, eating together in restaurants, taking their kids to the same schools, working together at the same businesses... I see black police, black managers, black business owners. I see with my own eyes blacks freely living side by side with whites. When I lived in a black area in the deep South throughout my childhood many blacks there had it better than many of the whites in the same areas. So can someone please tell me wtf all this horrible oppression is? And before you say "police brutality" I've seen cops beat the shit out of white people who didn't do what they were told too, so that argument isn't cutting it. |
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Post by machination on Oct 12, 2017 8:12:03 GMT -5
Just so you know what you are all objecting to... The NFL players are kneeling during the playing of the National Anthem to protest police shootings, police brutality and racial inequality. So do you disagree with the substance of their complaint or simply the form of the protest? I only ask because no one here appears to understand why they are doing what they are doing. Police shootings like the recent one that was protested, after the guy who got shot had tied up and pistol whipped someone? Racial inequality like affirmative action and preferential treatment in all things? What if white people started protesting the extremely high per capita rate of black crime, but protested it on Martin Luther King Jr. Day? How do you think that would go over? Probably as good as them protesting against white people during the National Anthem, which is the root of what they are doing when you get down to it and cut away all the fluffy rhetoric. And if you don't think it's core is their disdain for white people, why then is the anger so much more muted, if present at all, when blacks slaughter other blacks by the thousands each year, but a single white involved black shooting could spark an actual riot? Think about that a while then decide for yourself whether or not an underlying hatred of white people isn't the root of all this. |
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Post by machination on Oct 11, 2017 21:32:19 GMT -5
And yet with all of that we have professional athletes protesting. Sick Yet everyone keeps rewarding them by watching them play. They are all about boycotts and resistance and fight the power and all that phony whimpering bullshit. Why don't people start giving them a taste of their own medicine, en masse, and cease watching the NFL for a whole season? Cease going to games, cease buying their merchandise, cease anything to do with their business, to teach them a lesson? Because people gotta have their " entertainment", even if the entertainers are scumbags. Like they cant live without it. Because that's whats really important to us. Entertainment... |
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Oct 1, 2017 9:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Oct 1, 2017 9:24:36 GMT -5
No, not of course. Because you didn't say yours. Here, I'll try to simplify your native language for you. You didn't use a possessive of any kind before the noun. You just said "base pay". For example, MY base pay in 95 was around $14.35ish. Since you didn't use any type of possession indicating pronoun or determiner, your sentence clearly means you were referring to THE base pay in 95, which would be the standard rate, not anyone's widely differing in-progression rate at the time. That's what's obvious. It's only confusing if you don't understand your own language correctly. Words just fall out of your mouth like loose turds. |
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