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Post by machination on Sept 27, 2017 7:58:11 GMT -5
They just opened up Pandora's box by saying "We respect individuals' rights to express their views, even if they are not ones we share" This will be everyone's, well, select few, get out of jail free card, if you know what I mean. Fortunately the first amendment only protects people from GOVERNMENT interference, and even that is limited. It doesn't exactly cover you on private property or in private business on its own. So if some idiot decides to walk off the job to "protest" something they're in for a surprise when they get punished for refusal to work. I'd love to see the look on their stupid, protesting face then. |
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Post by machination on Sept 21, 2017 9:10:51 GMT -5
WRT the wage increase: Agreements between UAW and the Ford Motor Company, Vol. I, pg. 98. WRT the Pension plan: Agreements between UAW and the Ford Motor Company, Vol. II, pg. 8-276. In addition, every four years Ford/UAW distributes a large book to every legacy hourly employee explaining every contractual benefit in simple English. This book walks you through the simple calculation that determines your pension benefit at any point from 30 years of seniority and beyond. Of course, damn few hourly employees bother to read any of this. U dond axuly spekt dem foaks ta yoos dar fre gubment ejucashun fo reedin stuf do ya? GO CATS! |
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Post by machination on Sept 16, 2017 7:41:58 GMT -5
Wow that sure is a lot of complicated math. I read somewhere that 5 out of 4 people have trouble with math. I do know two things. 1. I made $ 109,000 last year and B. UK sucks. Lol !!!!! "1." and "B." LMAO  |
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 14:43:51 GMT -5
I'm not a Star Wars fan at all..I live in the real world of hard work (haha).I only speak the truth ..And for those with cloudy brains,it's probably hard to determine which "world"they're in today?Guess you could say they walk around like zombies? You sure are full of shit for someone who claims to "only speak the truth", LOL. I reread the thread just to see if I missed anything, and for the lols. There were other refutations I could have made against your various lies, but you slung so much magic bullshit around that it was simply impossible to deflect it all. I can see I'm going to have my work cut out for me in 2019. I might have to get my own apprentice to help in my battle against the Brown side considering how much bullshit-power you have, LMAO. The Farce is stronnnnng with yoooooou. |
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 11:30:06 GMT -5
You wear me out...Fuck I went to Valley High for gods sakes!It clearly shows no one will make over 24 $ an hour UNLESS they have OVER (2) yrs ) seniority at time on signing contract..And to my knowledge we hired MOST after that?Right?As far as 2 tiers .They will NEVER make what you and I make..So call that difference anything your sick little mind wants..I'm out hopefully we can argue more in 2019 when you're on here preaching how good we have it or how good the contract is..Meanwhile I'm planning to retire with 24.6 yrs and 56 yrs old..About 1550 a month..I think???Maybe you can come over and advise me what to do...Fuck off🖕🏿 Oh come on man, don't be that way, lol. The point all along wasn't about what year they hired in, it was about how much money they will be making per hour at "X" years of seniority. Round 2 was fun Darth. Once again, the power of truth and light overcame the power of the Brown side in the end. I have to prepare now. The next contract in 2019 will be a terrible battle. The legions of the Shith bullshit army will be strong. The lies will be great. Hell, there could literally be hundreds of cloned Stormpoopers of Bullshit marching at your side. Those of us who fight against bullshit must be ready.
Until next time, Darth Bullshit. May the Farce be with you.
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 11:07:15 GMT -5
God you are so fucking stupid..You said won't MOST of them be over 25 an hour in 4-5 yrs..I simply showed you that most of them will not because of the lack of seniority in 2015..So as to the original topic( where you fired from the hip)YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!!!!Most WILL NOT BE MAKING 25 dollars an hour,BUT some may make 26 an hour if they HAD 2-3 yrs at time of said contract..Which most were hired AFTER 2015...Damn You spin words around God lord ex-Honestman don't you have any work to do at work today? Here I'll spell it out slowly.
I thought after 4-5 years OF SENIORITY in-progression workers would be at around $25ish/hour but admitted I was guessing and didn't mind correction.
Agslater correctly posted 4 years=22.50, 5 years=24, and 8 years=28.50. I liked his post. His clarity was a refreshing sight in bullshit land. So my guess was $1 dollar off.
Me and you have round 2 where I'm trying so hard to deflect the lightning bolts of bullshit that you employ, while deftly dodging swings from your Shith Lord turd-saber of falseness, you crazy fucker you.
You argue against me while simultaneously agreeing with me as I pointed out above. Again, only someone with the power of the Brown side like you is capable of such a level of magical bullshit.
As for everyone else, here is the in-progression wage schedule I just found for the 2015 contract:
This also reconfirms, for all to see, the ABOLITION of the 2-TIER wage system, abolished with the 2015 contract, returning to an in-progression system like before but with a longer time scale, which was the subject of mine and Darth Bullshit's first glorious battle a few years ago, which he also lost.
P.S. Most people end up learning all the jobs on their team at least at a basic level in order to get the increase in pay. Currently, VAT's (that's you, assemblers) who are fully ARPed and at legacy wage make $29.625/ hour. After this raise we get this month, the rate will be $30.51/ hour. If you are only at level 1 ARPs then the current top rate should be the $28.50 that Mr. Agslater mentioned, however after this month's raise a level 1 ARPed VAT at top rate should be at $29.355/ hour, confirming my earlier post.
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 10:28:19 GMT -5
Trust me you used to be a CP..But now work in stamping?Just guessing,cause I've only met 1 person who thought he was above all others..And I thought they sucked as a union rep..As a person I can't say,cause I don't judge people. According to the 2015 contract Said worker would have to have 1-3 yrs seniority at the time of contract (17.53)and make gains of 8.47 over the 4 yrs of said contract...Which puts them at 26$ Most new hires didn't have that seniority in 2015... So you a dumb fuck as usual I said that I thought they'd pass the $25/hour mark after 4-5 years of seniority, but wasn't sure because I didn't have that book handy. You disagreed, say I'm dumb, and then go on the state in your own words, above, that a worker with at least 1 year seniority in 2015 would be making $26 "over the 4 yrs" of the 2015 contract. Which, as your own words show, would put the worker over $25 an hour with 1+4=5 years of seniority. Now I don't have that book on me right now, so I cant double check your figures, but you disagreed with me then insisted on figures THAT AGREED WITH ME. Excuse me for a second....
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Here, for reference:
Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!!
Furthermore, Mr. Agslater earlier in the thread DID provide what he says are correct figures, which my admitted assumption was closer to than yours:
4 years = 22.50 5 years = 24 8 years = 28.50
So you see, Darth Bullshit, you truly are a Shith Lord of the Brown Side. LMAO
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 10:05:03 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!! Your wrong..you would have to have 4-5 yrs seniority as of 2015 contract to be over the 29.$ mark..Most will be at 25 and hour.in September 2019.It's online for your viewing.. You don't understand what you're reading, as usual.
You hate it when I'm right don't you.  Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
Aren't you supposed to be busy on union duty?See folks this is where our dues go.To a dildo playing on the computer all day while you're busting ass..🖕🏿 I never said anything about you being a district CP?I Know who you are trust me..Just like you know who I am...🖕🏿Since youre off today don't you have chores to do before the wife gets home?Get busy and make sure you take her panties off and put back in her drawer..
Do you even know what a district committeeman is? And exactly what official job with the union, if not a district CP, do you think I have?
PS. You have no idea who I am Darth Bullshit LOL
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -5
Dont but it..You got UNION SUCKASS all over your style!!!🖕🏿 So I'm a union suckass for telling the truth, and even posting evidence of that truth? LOL, no Darth I'm not AFRAID of telling the truth. People like you are terrified of not looking like tough guys to everyone else who's either stupid enough to buy into that nonsense or too young to know any better, so you hop on the bullshit bandwagon and even double down on falsehoods after you're proven wrong, and when you're finally in knots and can't succeed in whatever lie you've peddled, you just get pissed off at the people who were telling the truth all along, no matter what issue it is. Guys like you are easy to figure out. Even now you spout more bullshit with this insistence that I'm a district committeeman, even though you have no idea who I am, simply because I tell the truth and sometimes give an opposing viewpoint in an effort to get people to lower their pitchforks and think. But that's ok, because at the end of the day I know you love me |
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Sept 14, 2017 8:46:40 GMT -5
Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:46:40 GMT -5
You hate it when I'm right don't you. Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
Aren't you supposed to be busy on union duty?See folks this is where our dues go.To a dildo playing on the computer all day while you're busting ass..🖕🏿 Naa, I'm off today. And I'm not a committeeman. You just drip with bullshit don't you. Hey I'm just trying to correct inaccuracies that's all. I am a force for truth and honesty. Bet you didn't expect me to actually whip out pics of the old contracts did you? It's fun defeating Darth Bullshit and the Shith Lords of the Brown Side. You kinda asked for it you know |
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:33:22 GMT -5
If lol ing about shit on here amuses you ,you definitely have mental problems..You must be a real gossip girl in the plant or office?Anyway if you get off on spinning words around to make yourself look right go for it..I gotta get back to Jeopardy,my fantasy football ,and doing my job..So if you wanna meet sometime for a beer lmk..🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿 You hate it when I'm right don't you. Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:18:17 GMT -5
Have a look for yourself while I LOL harder than I've ever LOLed!: |
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Sept 14, 2017 7:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 7:47:36 GMT -5
This isn't rocket science. He stated that base pay in 1995 was $12.56. He didn't say his. He didn't say yours. He didn't say Jim Bob's. He said base pay. Base pay for an assembler in 1995 was $17.94. Maybe you all hired in around nothing but other new hires but I didn't. And someone next to you who hired in 1993 would not have been making $12.56 in 1995. So his comment was false. Next! No you're wrong AS USUAL..In the contract DURING HIM BEING HIRED ,it quoted a person hired in 1995 will have a BASE PAY of 12.56..End of story ..next OH snap or whatever gay lingo you speak! He didn't say base pay if you were HIRED in 1995, he didn't say HIS base pay, he said base pay IN 1995. I was surrounded by old guys in 1995 who's BASE PAY was $17.94. As usual you don't know shit LOL |
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Sept 14, 2017 6:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 6:36:55 GMT -5
Pretty sure rimfire meant HIS STARTING BASE PAY WAS 12.56..duh For example on HIS check stub it didn't tell someone else's BASE PAY it showed HIS..Correct or wrong Great DF? This isn't rocket science. He stated that base pay in 1995 was $12.56. He didn't say his. He didn't say yours. He didn't say Jim Bob's. He said base pay. Base pay for an assembler in 1995 was $17.94. Maybe you all hired in around nothing but other new hires but I didn't. And someone next to you who hired in 1993 would not have been making $12.56 in 1995. So his comment was false. Next! |
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Post by machination on Sept 13, 2017 20:27:02 GMT -5
Wrong. Base pay in 1995 was $17.94. Not everyone was a new hire in 1995. 70% of base pay was $12.56, which was the new hire starting percentage. Bring on the bullshit folks so I can wash it off. A tiny percentage of people, like me, actually bothered to know stuff back then. You'd be amazed at how many people around me PRETENDED to, but actually didn't know anything because they couldn't be bothered to read a contract and couldn't understand it if they did read it. So, NEXT! P.S. If absolutely necessary tomorrow, or whenever I feel like educating you numbskulls, I'll scan my old contract books at the sections showing wage schedules for each year to show how full of shit so many of you are. Is that going to be necessary? 😎 |
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Sept 13, 2017 7:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 13, 2017 7:39:03 GMT -5
Now everyone should realize who the real DARTH BULLSHITTER is..Make sure to vote on his poll!Lol What did I say that wasn't true? Point it out to me. If we need to have a 3 page "round two" where you just end up agreeing with me in the end like last time, I'm ready to hose all that bullshit off of you until you squeak with truth. Dust off your turd-saber there Darth. Let's do this. Oh yes, and vote in the poll folks ☺ |
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Sept 12, 2017 6:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 12, 2017 6:35:43 GMT -5
The legacy wage is where it is at now because of COLA rollover to the base wage. This plus several base wage percentage increases. |
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Post by machination on Sept 12, 2017 0:09:22 GMT -5
5 years would be a huge improvement. Im coming up on 2 years seniority and only 1/4 the way to 8 years. Its a long stretch. People used to get full pay after only 1 year of service. Big difference. Uhh no they didn't it was three years The 3 years to full pay began under the 1993 National Agreement. Under the 1990 Agreement it was 18 months. I don't know about the 1987 or prior agreements. Perhaps it was a year to full pay 30+ years ago but I do not know. In 1995, for example, the full pay for an assembler was $17.94/hour without ARPS. It took people who hired in that year 3 years to reach full pay, at which time full pay for an unARPED assembler was around $21ish/hour. Ready for this?: It took someone who hired in 1995 approximately 8 years to reach $28.76/hour, which was the top pay for a fully ARPED assembler at that point due to an unprecedented rise in wages that started in the 90's and lasted for nearly a decade before reality kicked back in and we didn't see a raise again for over a dozen years. In fact, this raise we legacies are getting this month is only the SECOND hourly raise we've gotten since around 2004ish? I might be a year or 2 off. That was a long time ago.
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Post by machination on Sept 11, 2017 17:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 11, 2017 17:12:19 GMT -5
Better than making under 25 an hour for 8 years like the new guys. Thats rediculous. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!! |
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Post by machination on Sept 5, 2017 13:33:37 GMT -5
I have to agree with toddstang, they are self destructing out there now. They are past us doing something to help. You know what they say, if you give a person enough rope they'll hang their self. Sad, very sad. Hopefully potential customers don't find themselves in agreement with toddstang's exaggerated perceptions too. Is he suggesting that things aren't getting repaired like they most certainly are? I've seen a lot of launches and they are always rough but the things you see at first run on the line are generally taken care of before they get out the door... |
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Post by machination on Sept 5, 2017 5:57:11 GMT -5
Yep. Ford has officially put it's head up its own ass on launches and over all quality. We might as well be building 1980 Ford Fairmonts. We actually have managers with engineer in their title but they do not have engineering degrees. At LAP our rebalances are horrible. Same shit goes to the shop daily. They eliminated jobs and added the work to jobs that were already over loaded. Quality is non-existent and the worst I have ever seen. Nice. Hopefully enough people on the internet will find and read this and not buy anything built at LAP causing your plant to close one day. Then you'll really have something to bitch about. How about instead of posting your self-destructive bullshit online for all to see you actually do something that might help your plant? |
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Post by machination on Aug 28, 2017 22:59:41 GMT -5
Lucky you. My sub checks always took about a month and a half to get. Sometimes I'd get really lucky and get one in 5 weeks, but I didn't start to get concerned unless it took longer than 6. Then I'd call the hall and ask for a benefits rep or whoever was the go to guy for SUB at the time. So how many of you have called the hall or a bargainer instead of just talking to the poor grunt committeeman on the floor who has no control over any of it or just whining on the internet? I'd wager very few. Oh, and I've been here 24 years. I called and talked to a man (royce epperson). Pretty much got no answer just that ford was taking their time. Didnt even give me a date just talked about that they needed a list of names, gotta get this and that. Pretty much fords in no rush to get us our money. This right here is exactly what I would have done. Good job sir. Funny how folks are complaining about the union when it's the union who got us the benefit and its actually the company dragging their feet paying it. Same people who probably think we'd be better off without a union, then be shocked years later when there's no SUB at all. Can I get an amen? |
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Post by machination on Aug 28, 2017 19:44:06 GMT -5
LOL...been here lotta years..never took 6 weeks get a sub check! Lucky you. My sub checks always took about a month and a half to get. Sometimes I'd get really lucky and get one in 5 weeks, but I didn't start to get concerned unless it took longer than 6. Then I'd call the hall and ask for a benefits rep or whoever was the go to guy for SUB at the time. So how many of you have called the hall or a bargainer instead of just talking to the poor grunt committeeman on the floor who has no control over any of it or just whining on the internet? I'd wager very few. Oh, and I've been here 24 years. |
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Post by machination on Aug 28, 2017 15:06:22 GMT -5
In the past it always took me at least 6 weeks to get a SUB check.
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Post by machination on Aug 27, 2017 19:08:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the volume increase will be if this is true?
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Post by machination on Aug 21, 2017 22:44:55 GMT -5
Unless you went south to see the totality in the shadow of the moon you didn't see anything. It was amazing. It got dark, the temperature dropped, you could see Venus, and the sun became blacked out with only a thin ring of fire visible, at which point you could take off the glasses and look at it without danger. It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
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Post by machination on Aug 19, 2017 17:14:51 GMT -5
machination, there's no reason to be an a** some people just have a harder time understanding how investing works..,it was a question to provoke some helpful insight not for you to talk your co workers down..be a little humble! I totally understand. And I'm sorry if I offended you. I'm just trying to help in my own special way. As far as being humble goes, I stopped being humble years ago when I finally realized that almost everyone around me is a dumbass. Hard to be humble in that sort of environment, despite my best efforts.
Check out my old posts for some insight into this: scottrlap.proboards.com/user/2060/recent
Also, my classic 3 page debate with Darth Bullshit should go down in the annals as a battle of the ages: scottrlap.proboards.com/thread/15424/north-america-track-sales-record
It was a hoot
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Post by machination on Aug 17, 2017 16:49:01 GMT -5
Question for the experts, ok, i currently put $100 a week into tesphe, and $500 in regular savings a week. Should i be putting most of it in tesphe? Should i contact a financial advisor with putting away that much in a week? You should contact a financial advisor because the answer depends greatly on your personal circumstances. For example, if you are in debt real bad and are paying a lot of interest you should work on getting that paid off before focusing on dumping your money into savings because any return you get on your investments wont matter if you're bleeding money thru finance charges on credit cards, loans, etc. If your financial advisor doesn't take into account your debts when giving advice, find another advisor. It's great that you are taking your finances seriously tho. It looks like you have good discipline. Find a good advisor and good luck to you.
Make sure you don't take advice from Jim Bob Hucklefuck from down the line. I've met a lot of folks in the plant who don't know their head from their own ass but somehow think they know about finances. You wouldn't believe the shitty advice I've heard from some people who barely made it out of high school...
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Post by machination on Aug 17, 2017 11:46:10 GMT -5
Why in the heck would you have 90% of your TESPHE in the Ford Stock Fund, or in any single investment for that matter? I'm not sure how old you are but haven't you heard that you "never keep all your eggs in one basket", or 90% of your eggs in this case, or that you should "diversify your investments"? The education system in this country really needs to start teaching kids basic, and I mean BASIC, guidelines to simple investing. I knew this stuff when I was 19 years old buying into my first mutual fund on my own, years before I hired on at Ford. You should change your screen name because clearly you don't knowthebiz.
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